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You throw a lot of half baked assertions on this thread but it doesn't seem to go anywhere. Who should a nation put first then? I dont see the connection betw
by dudul 3y ago
You throw a lot of half baked assertions on this thread but it doesn't seem to go anywhere.
Who should a nation put first then?
I dont see the connection between how citizenship is acquired (AFAIK each nation is free to set the rules/laws that they think is fair) and if citizens should get special treatment or not.
If citizens can't get "special" treatment over non resident in their own country what's the point of countries?
How people become residents and what "rights" they have die to this status is part of the "social contract".
- Zetice 3y agoA nation supports the people who agree to the social contract upon which the nation is founded, citizenship be damned. Citizenship in the US is a profoundly broken system with a horrendous and racist past, and using it to decide who deserves the benefit of the social contract and who doesn’t is actively buying into the nationalistic and false idea that Americans are superior just because they were born somewhere and foreigners weren’t. You wouldn’t argue that black slaves weren’t worthy of US protection and services until the 14th Amendment was passed, would you? You wouldn’t pretend like the US granting and then revoking citizenship from Mexican settlers repeatedly in the 19th and 20th century was acceptable, would you? Was the Chinese Exclusion Act acceptable? A foreign life is worth exactly the same as an American life, and the difference is completely arbitrary.
- dudul 3y agoYou're now blatantly strawmaning. Nobody is talking about the value of a life or people being superior to others. We're discussing employment policies.
- Zetice 3y agoThat’s exactly what is being discussed, even if you don’t realize what it is you’re saying. Americans are not more deserving of jobs than foreigners, Americans are not better than foreigners.
- peteradio 3y agoAmericans are free to rule their country as they wish that is basically the premise it's founded on. Deserve means nothing in this context.
- Zetice 3y agoDeserve means everything in this context, because I, as an American, am discussing with my fellow Americans how our country works and the principles upon which we ought to rule ourselves. Those principles are heavily founded in “deserve”. You are watching some infinitesimally small part of that “ruling” process.
- jimmygrapes 3y agoCitizenship is meant to limit external actors influencing the vote of who should represent the people of any given area, and being qualified to represent the people by virtue of a sustained commitment and longevity.
- Zetice 3y agoNo, it's meant to determine which people have agreed to the social contract. Citizenship is not some sacred thing you must earn; simply agreeing to give up some freedom is all it takes to benefit from the social programs offered by a government. The bureaucratic concept of "citizenship" is just a way for people to construct barriers of hate around the benefits offered by a nation while still forcing people to accept the sacrifices.