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The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the

The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the lack of diversity in the team.

inemesitaffia 3y ago
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- enlightenedfool 3y ago
  I guess it’s not a good time to be a white male. I’m not one but it’s hard to ignore when in plain slight.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    The important thing to realize is that “white” doesn’t mean everyone with “white” skin. Middle class kids from Ohio are “white,” and these race conscious programs and elimination of meritocracy hurts them. But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Those folks will learn, through private schools and social capital, how to end up in top positions in this new economic structure, while they are joining in complaining about “white” people.
    - NhanH 3y ago
      > But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Genuine question, does this applies even when they are “white” (Caucasian white)? Why is that or is there a subtext I am missing?
      - rayiner 3y ago
        Yes, because race is a social construct. “White” encompasses many unrelated groups, from descendants of people on the Mayflower to Italian immigrants. But when elite Yankees complain about “white” people, they don’t really mean themselves, they mean southern or Midwestern whites. Essentially, they’re “post white.” Post-whites will do fine under the new system, because they have the cultural capital to navigate the new rules. They know how to write a “diversity statement” that gets them credit for some human rights whatever even though they trace their ancestry to Dutch colonists in New York. But the kids in Ohio won’t have that cultural capital and social connections. They are still “white.”
- tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
  No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here. When people actually discuss the advantages of diversity in the workplace, the advantages exist due to actual diversity, not just “a non-white-male voice”. You’ll no doubt cite some extreme view or vocal minority to justify making this assumption, but it is not what most people mean most of the time. You’re painting a false reality which I’ve got no doubt creates a feedback loop leaving you seething.
  - HAL3000 3y ago
    > No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here. My friend was filling a technical role and he had to turn down fitting white male candidates and hire technically inferior one just to satisfy diversification. It's not about ideology, it's about pathology that diversification creates in some cases.
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    Look, I'm very sure there's women only companies and minority only companies that claim they are diverse. It's not hard to find. (I'm black and I have eyes). Some of them covered in articles stating that thier composition is growing diversity. Or talking about how their diversity helps. People forget about diversity in experience & experiences. You can't all be devs after all. I remember a body shop in Austin that recently made it into the news for allegedly putting up an ad for a white people only job linked to Berkshire. Everyone there looked from the Indian subcontinent. The board had Middle eastern and black people. No visibly Hispanic or White people or Black people among the rank and file in an Austin company. Stop the pretence please. Yes.

The only scenario where this makes sense is if the "all H1B team" is all from the same country / speaks the same language. The issue is not "all H1B", it's the lack of diversity in the team.

inemesitaffia 3y ago

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enlightenedfool 3y ago
I guess it’s not a good time to be a white male. I’m not one but it’s hard to ignore when in plain slight.
- rayiner 3y ago
  The important thing to realize is that “white” doesn’t mean everyone with “white” skin. Middle class kids from Ohio are “white,” and these race conscious programs and elimination of meritocracy hurts them. But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Those folks will learn, through private schools and social capital, how to end up in top positions in this new economic structure, while they are joining in complaining about “white” people.
  - NhanH 3y ago
    > But the second or third generation Harvard folks aren’t functionally “white,” regardless of their skin color. Genuine question, does this applies even when they are “white” (Caucasian white)? Why is that or is there a subtext I am missing?
    - rayiner 3y ago
      Yes, because race is a social construct. “White” encompasses many unrelated groups, from descendants of people on the Mayflower to Italian immigrants. But when elite Yankees complain about “white” people, they don’t really mean themselves, they mean southern or Midwestern whites. Essentially, they’re “post white.” Post-whites will do fine under the new system, because they have the cultural capital to navigate the new rules. They know how to write a “diversity statement” that gets them credit for some human rights whatever even though they trace their ancestry to Dutch colonists in New York. But the kids in Ohio won’t have that cultural capital and social connections. They are still “white.”
tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here. When people actually discuss the advantages of diversity in the workplace, the advantages exist due to actual diversity, not just “a non-white-male voice”. You’ll no doubt cite some extreme view or vocal minority to justify making this assumption, but it is not what most people mean most of the time. You’re painting a false reality which I’ve got no doubt creates a feedback loop leaving you seething.
- HAL3000 3y ago
  > No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here. My friend was filling a technical role and he had to turn down fitting white male candidates and hire technically inferior one just to satisfy diversification. It's not about ideology, it's about pathology that diversification creates in some cases.
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  Look, I'm very sure there's women only companies and minority only companies that claim they are diverse. It's not hard to find. (I'm black and I have eyes). Some of them covered in articles stating that thier composition is growing diversity. Or talking about how their diversity helps. People forget about diversity in experience & experiences. You can't all be devs after all. I remember a body shop in Austin that recently made it into the news for allegedly putting up an ad for a white people only job linked to Berkshire. Everyone there looked from the Indian subcontinent. The board had Middle eastern and black people. No visibly Hispanic or White people or Black people among the rank and file in an Austin company. Stop the pretence please. Yes.