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In fairness, the worst case implication is that nationals with a cushy salary are less motivated than poorly paid foreigners who need to maintain their job to m

In fairness, the worst case implication is that nationals with a cushy salary are less motivated than poorly paid foreigners who need to maintain their job to maintain their visa and position in the immigration process. That doesn’t seem particularly offensive to me, a decently paid national.

Palmik 3y ago
In general, I think it's best to avoid stereotypes like this, unless they aren't just stereotypes but a statistic. And even then, interpreting a statistic can often be tricky.
- throwaway894345 3y ago
  There wasn’t a stereotype; we were discussing different incentive structures (national vs foreigner was not a salient part of the discussion). No one is hinting toward nationals being innately lazy or foreigners being innately hard working
salawat 3y ago
>In fairness, the worst case implication is that nationals with a cushy salary are less motivated than poorly paid foreigners who need to maintain their job to maintain their visa and position in the immigration process. "Motivated" can be one of those euphemistically loaded words. Am I "insufficiently motivated" when I refuse to cross an ethical/legal/moral line? Is an H1B who has their residency on the line "more motivated" when they're totally okay with crossing that line? Also, here's another little thing you don't get told about H1B and everyone just assumes you you know: any H1B you manage is only supposed to be able to work in their state of residence, and you, the employer are supposed to enforce that. Think about that from a native's point of view. You:re drawing a box around this person and basically saying "you must stay here and work". Whereas I just move around and do what needs being done wherever it's conducive to being done from. Sure, call me privileged, but it's awful bloody draconian when the System demands you implement a surveillance mechanism on their behalf over your workers. Maybe I'm just a bad employer. These things just really leave a bad taste in my mouth. Point being always track all the outputs. Often the desired ones are the ones no one wishes to direct your attention to.

Palmik 3y ago

In general, I think it's best to avoid stereotypes like this, unless they aren't just stereotypes but a statistic. And even then, interpreting a statistic can often be tricky.

throwaway894345 3y ago
There wasn’t a stereotype; we were discussing different incentive structures (national vs foreigner was not a salient part of the discussion). No one is hinting toward nationals being innately lazy or foreigners being innately hard working

salawat 3y ago

>In fairness, the worst case implication is that nationals with a cushy salary are less motivated than poorly paid foreigners who need to maintain their job to maintain their visa and position in the immigration process. "Motivated" can be one of those euphemistically loaded words. Am I "insufficiently motivated" when I refuse to cross an ethical/legal/moral line? Is an H1B who has their residency on the line "more motivated" when they're totally okay with crossing that line? Also, here's another little thing you don't get told about H1B and everyone just assumes you you know: any H1B you manage is only supposed to be able to work in their state of residence, and you, the employer are supposed to enforce that. Think about that from a native's point of view. You:re drawing a box around this person and basically saying "you must stay here and work". Whereas I just move around and do what needs being done wherever it's conducive to being done from. Sure, call me privileged, but it's awful bloody draconian when the System demands you implement a surveillance mechanism on their behalf over your workers. Maybe I'm just a bad employer. These things just really leave a bad taste in my mouth. Point being always track all the outputs. Often the desired ones are the ones no one wishes to direct your attention to.