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Collect information about your sex life!? In what way? Also, will these brand track geolocation information, etc? Insane that any regulator would approve of t

Collect information about your sex life!? In what way? Also, will these brand track geolocation information, etc? Insane that any regulator would approve of this. A car shouldn’t be smart, it should be hardware that knows nothing about you. You can then enhance the car with something like Apple car play since you already use that phone everywhere anyway. 750 billion a year industry? What kind of dystopia do we live in? Should we move to a system where a company can only do things or make things that are in their direct industry? So a car company can only make and sell cars and not sell data? I have no idea what the solutions are, but this sounds horrible.

fhd2 3y ago
I think rather than saying a company can only do one thing, one could argue a product should only do one thing to extract value from it: 1. One time payment 2. Subscription payments 3. Usage-based payments 4. Selling personal data (to other _products_) 5. Showing ads (based on data collected by the product itself or bought) If Google makes a car in this world, they'd have the option of making the thing free and in turn it sells data they can use for their ad business, basically how I'd say they monetise Chrome (beyond that sweet web monopoly they get out of it). I think that could potentially be a lot more honest, consumers would know exactly what price they pay. And it'd make it a bit harder to build and maintain a monopoly through strategic product portfolios. Seems like there's an argument there that complex/hidden pricing schemes and the illusion of free are too much to ask the typical consumer to untangle, it'd therefore classify as consumer protection in my book. I noticed that companies that run most of their business units as profit centers (where units also generate revenue from other units) seem to do better than those that have mostly revenue and cost centers and lots of politics in-between. So maybe we'd even get better products this way. Edit: Upon reflection, what's difficult is defining what a product is in this model. My spontaneous approach is that a product is anything than you can choose or decline to use. If my smart TV maker says "well the home menu is a different product from the TV" - totally fine. Give consumers the choice of using a different home menu and you got a deal. If those two things are inseparably (by practical means) intertwined, it's one product.
CatWChainsaw 3y ago
>Collect information about your sex life!? In what way? My straightforward guess is cameras pointed in the car, or collect information from the phones in the car and try to extrapolate using techniques perfected by Meta. >Should we move to a system where a company can only do things or make things that are in their direct industry? So a car company can only make and sell cars and not sell data? I would be interested in that just to see what happens to the FANGs. Google can pick between youtube and chromebooks; meta can't have its own VR headset; what even happens to Apple? It would at least get more people thinking about if hyper monopoly/monopsony and vertical integration into every area of life is actually desirable.
DesiLurker 3y ago
Its about to get a whole lot worse folks. up until now this was semi-frivolous info like location etc but with the advent of fitness trackers & AR you will have something constantly tracking your Bio-signs with increasing sophistication. Its not long before someone makes a bunch of ML models to connetect then to health problems and insurability in general. I hate apple as much as the next pro-open-source nerd but I hope to god Apple fares much better than 'others' in terms of privacy.

fhd2 3y ago

I think rather than saying a company can only do one thing, one could argue a product should only do one thing to extract value from it: 1. One time payment 2. Subscription payments 3. Usage-based payments 4. Selling personal data (to other _products_) 5. Showing ads (based on data collected by the product itself or bought) If Google makes a car in this world, they'd have the option of making the thing free and in turn it sells data they can use for their ad business, basically how I'd say they monetise Chrome (beyond that sweet web monopoly they get out of it). I think that could potentially be a lot more honest, consumers would know exactly what price they pay. And it'd make it a bit harder to build and maintain a monopoly through strategic product portfolios. Seems like there's an argument there that complex/hidden pricing schemes and the illusion of free are too much to ask the typical consumer to untangle, it'd therefore classify as consumer protection in my book. I noticed that companies that run most of their business units as profit centers (where units also generate revenue from other units) seem to do better than those that have mostly revenue and cost centers and lots of politics in-between. So maybe we'd even get better products this way. Edit: Upon reflection, what's difficult is defining what a product is in this model. My spontaneous approach is that a product is anything than you can choose or decline to use. If my smart TV maker says "well the home menu is a different product from the TV" - totally fine. Give consumers the choice of using a different home menu and you got a deal. If those two things are inseparably (by practical means) intertwined, it's one product.

CatWChainsaw 3y ago

>Collect information about your sex life!? In what way? My straightforward guess is cameras pointed in the car, or collect information from the phones in the car and try to extrapolate using techniques perfected by Meta. >Should we move to a system where a company can only do things or make things that are in their direct industry? So a car company can only make and sell cars and not sell data? I would be interested in that just to see what happens to the FANGs. Google can pick between youtube and chromebooks; meta can't have its own VR headset; what even happens to Apple? It would at least get more people thinking about if hyper monopoly/monopsony and vertical integration into every area of life is actually desirable.

DesiLurker 3y ago

Its about to get a whole lot worse folks. up until now this was semi-frivolous info like location etc but with the advent of fitness trackers & AR you will have something constantly tracking your Bio-signs with increasing sophistication. Its not long before someone makes a bunch of ML models to connetect then to health problems and insurability in general. I hate apple as much as the next pro-open-source nerd but I hope to god Apple fares much better than 'others' in terms of privacy.