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Teens do dumb things, this is nothing new. What gets me here is that some company produced these chips and encouraged the challenge. I hope the company, and it

Teens do dumb things, this is nothing new. What gets me here is that some company produced these chips and encouraged the challenge. I hope the company, and its founders, are held liable for the medical costs of all the teens who wound up in the hospital. And criminally liable for the death they caused

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yonatan8070 3y ago
How does a product like that get FDA approval and is just sold to anyone at a store? Even alcohol, which is safe in comparison, requires customers to show ID
- im3w1l 3y ago
  Food operates on a default-allow system? Like if you create a new recipe for applie pie that contains ginger and just a hint of lemongrass, it's not like you need a special permission to sell that. Just need a general purpose permission to sell food.
- Simulacra 3y ago
  There is no FDA approval process for food or food products. Dietary supplements, for example, are considered food products. In fact, The FDA has to depend on the federal trade commission whenever it wants to force something.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> And criminally liable for the death they caused Pump the brakes a little. The article seems to accept that the chip is to blame, then right at the very end, burying the lede: > Harris Wolobah's cause of death is not yet determined; it's not certain if the chip is to blame. An autopsy will be conducted, but the results could take up to 12 weeks, according to the Massachusetts Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. That's a pretty big caveat.
- narism 3y ago
  The source/other articles [1][2][3] mention this particular chip has sent multiple other students to the hospital before. I mean, it’s _possible_ they all had some unrelated medical condition trigger/were secretly mainlining heroin/etc at the same time they ate the chip, but is it probable? [1] https://archive.md/2CEum https://archive.md/2CEum [2] https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/tyler-isd-one-chip-chal https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/tyler-isd-one-chip-chal... [3] https://amp.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article257 https://amp.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article257...
- thfuran 3y ago
  That wasn't the end of the article. If you keep reading, you'll see references to several prior cases of peppers having induced (or at any rate being linked to) heart and brain problems in others.
jug 3y ago
Also, maybe better regulate so that products that are lethal even if the consumer has no medical problems can’t be sold as snacks over the counter like this.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
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  - tongueinkek 3y ago
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    - jpsouth 3y ago
      The only way someone’s dying of cannabis is if a ton bale falls on them.
    - flutas 3y ago
      > can you point to a single death from cannabis, anywhere? I mean...yes? https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/virginia-mother-pleads-guilty-in-4-year-old-sons-death-from-thc-gummies/3365697/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/virginia-mother-ple... I think they were talking about the psychoactive effects you can end up with, that can basically trigger issues in some people with underlying schizophrenia or bipolar. https://adf.org.au/insights/cannabis-mental-health/ https://adf.org.au/insights/cannabis-mental-health/
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Can you point to a single death from spicy chips?
darkclouds 3y ago
They could have died from shock, just like I suspect a few people died of shock when having breathing difficulties thinking they had covid. Shock is a very nasty mind over matter condition.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  > Shock is a very nasty mind over matter condition. "Shock" as you're using it is extremely ambiguous. Perhaps you should define your terms. You are clearly not referring to the class of medical emergencies known as circulatory shock. Perhaps your comments refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_disorder which is psychological, but no medical doctor will refer to this as "shock" without qualifying it.
  - darkclouds 3y ago
    Too much calcium amplifying the effects of too much adrenaline that causes problems in the body and mind, seen with things like a higher heart rate, as well as panic attacks.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      You are literally not describing any type of medical shock whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory) I do not doubt that yours is a real condition, but it is not called "shock" in medical terminology, so please stop calling it that.
      - darkclouds 3y ago
        People can go into shock and die. "Shock may result from trauma, heatstroke, blood loss or an allergic reaction. It also may result from severe infection, poisoning, severe burns or other causes. When a person is in shock, their organs don't get enough blood or oxygen. If shock is not treated, it can lead to permanent organ damage or even death." https://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-shock/basics/art-20056620#:~:text=Shock%20may%20result%20from%20trauma,organ%20damage%20or%20even%20death https://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-shock/basics/....
illiac786 3y ago
I hope some day alcohol and unhealthy food in general is taxed to the amount required to compensate for the health care system costs it causes.

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yonatan8070 3y ago

How does a product like that get FDA approval and is just sold to anyone at a store? Even alcohol, which is safe in comparison, requires customers to show ID

im3w1l 3y ago
Food operates on a default-allow system? Like if you create a new recipe for applie pie that contains ginger and just a hint of lemongrass, it's not like you need a special permission to sell that. Just need a general purpose permission to sell food.
Simulacra 3y ago
There is no FDA approval process for food or food products. Dietary supplements, for example, are considered food products. In fact, The FDA has to depend on the federal trade commission whenever it wants to force something.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> And criminally liable for the death they caused Pump the brakes a little. The article seems to accept that the chip is to blame, then right at the very end, burying the lede: > Harris Wolobah's cause of death is not yet determined; it's not certain if the chip is to blame. An autopsy will be conducted, but the results could take up to 12 weeks, according to the Massachusetts Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. That's a pretty big caveat.

narism 3y ago
The source/other articles [1][2][3] mention this particular chip has sent multiple other students to the hospital before. I mean, it’s _possible_ they all had some unrelated medical condition trigger/were secretly mainlining heroin/etc at the same time they ate the chip, but is it probable? [1] https://archive.md/2CEum https://archive.md/2CEum [2] https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/tyler-isd-one-chip-chal https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/tyler-isd-one-chip-chal... [3] https://amp.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article257 https://amp.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article257...
thfuran 3y ago
That wasn't the end of the article. If you keep reading, you'll see references to several prior cases of peppers having induced (or at any rate being linked to) heart and brain problems in others.

jug 3y ago

Also, maybe better regulate so that products that are lethal even if the consumer has no medical problems can’t be sold as snacks over the counter like this.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
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- tongueinkek 3y ago
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  - jpsouth 3y ago
    The only way someone’s dying of cannabis is if a ton bale falls on them.
  - flutas 3y ago
    > can you point to a single death from cannabis, anywhere? I mean...yes? https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/virginia-mother-pleads-guilty-in-4-year-old-sons-death-from-thc-gummies/3365697/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/virginia-mother-ple... I think they were talking about the psychoactive effects you can end up with, that can basically trigger issues in some people with underlying schizophrenia or bipolar. https://adf.org.au/insights/cannabis-mental-health/ https://adf.org.au/insights/cannabis-mental-health/
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Can you point to a single death from spicy chips?

darkclouds 3y ago

They could have died from shock, just like I suspect a few people died of shock when having breathing difficulties thinking they had covid. Shock is a very nasty mind over matter condition.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> Shock is a very nasty mind over matter condition. "Shock" as you're using it is extremely ambiguous. Perhaps you should define your terms. You are clearly not referring to the class of medical emergencies known as circulatory shock. Perhaps your comments refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_stress_disorder which is psychological, but no medical doctor will refer to this as "shock" without qualifying it.
- darkclouds 3y ago
  Too much calcium amplifying the effects of too much adrenaline that causes problems in the body and mind, seen with things like a higher heart rate, as well as panic attacks.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    You are literally not describing any type of medical shock whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_(circulatory) I do not doubt that yours is a real condition, but it is not called "shock" in medical terminology, so please stop calling it that.
    - darkclouds 3y ago
      People can go into shock and die. "Shock may result from trauma, heatstroke, blood loss or an allergic reaction. It also may result from severe infection, poisoning, severe burns or other causes. When a person is in shock, their organs don't get enough blood or oxygen. If shock is not treated, it can lead to permanent organ damage or even death." https://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-shock/basics/art-20056620#:~:text=Shock%20may%20result%20from%20trauma,organ%20damage%20or%20even%20death https://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-shock/basics/....

illiac786 3y ago

I hope some day alcohol and unhealthy food in general is taxed to the amount required to compensate for the health care system costs it causes.