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> But, I think it was a disservice to call something a vaccine that didn’t seem to reduce the chance of you catching it, the effects of the vaccine completely d

> But, I think it was a disservice to call something a vaccine that didn’t seem to reduce the chance of you catching it, the effects of the vaccine completely disappeared within 6-9 months and it didn’t keep you from catching Covid. I think that that's because the public is used to super-effective vaccines that are so good at preventing you from getting the disease at all that they've started associating that term with that level of effectiveness. I don't think that's entirely fair, though - whenever we develop a new variant on any technology (e.g. Li-Ion batteries, after NiMh), the new technology usually has some initial performance deficits (e.g. lower capacity), so it seems reasonable to accept that in the case of vaccines as well. "Vaccine" was originally intended to be an indicator of what it was, not how effective it was. That doesn't excuse the poor and dishonest communication from many governments, though. They should have been very clear about the numbers: "This reduces your chance of contacting Covid by about 60%, and reduces your chance of severe illness by 80% if you do get it" or something. > We wouldn’t accept that definition for any of the other vaccines like Smallpox, measles, etc Well, the smallpox vaccine is only 95% effective - it doesn't completely prevent you from getting smallpox, either, and I suspect that that's the case for basically every vaccine in existence. > didn’t seem to reduce the chance of you catching it, the effects of the vaccine completely disappeared within 6-9 months and it didn’t keep you from catching Covid These claims seem a bit far-fetched, but I'm open to looking at the evidence if you'll bring it forth. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html

scarface_74 3y ago
From your link. > The smallpox vaccine protects people from smallpox by helping their bodies develop immunity to smallpox. Do you see the term “immunity” anywhere on the CDCs sight today with regards to the Covid vaccine? Are you disagreeing that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months? Again from the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-booster.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-boost... > They can help restore protection that has waned since previous vaccination
- throw10920 3y ago
  > Do you see the term “immunity” anywhere on the CDCs sight today with regards to the Covid vaccine? No, but that could be because individuals like you have extremely opinionated views of what "vaccine" and "immunity" mean, and they don't want further confusion to spread. > Are you disagreeing that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months? OK, I was open-minded and willing to examine evidence that you provided, but you instead provided zero evidence and responded in a hostile manner. It's clear that you're not arguing in good faith. We're done here.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    > No, but that could be because individuals like you have extremely opinionated views of what "vaccine" and "immunity" mean, and they don't want further confusion to spread. So now your excuse is that the CDC is not being truthful or when evidence from reliable sources doesn’t agree with your worldview you dispute the evidence? How are you any better than the anti-cancers who do the same. I haven’t in this entire thread cited any evidence that didn’t come from either the CDC or the DHHS. > OK, I was open-minded and willing to examine evidence that you provided, but you instead provided zero evidence and responded in a hostile manner. It's clear that you're not arguing in good faith. We're done here. Really? You mean the evidence you are ignoring from the CDC? Why do you think the government recommended booster shots six months later before there were any changes in the formulation. I’m presenting quotes from the CDC. Not sone website I found while sitting on the toilet.
    - throw10920 3y ago
      > Really? You mean the evidence you are ignoring from the CDC? Where is the evidence? You never presented it. You linked to https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-booster.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-boost..., which literally does not contain the word "month". There's nothing in there about the vaccine "looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months". > I haven’t in this entire thread cited any evidence that didn’t come from either the CDC or the DHHS. Then it will be trivial for you to drop links supporting your position, right here, in a response to me. You still haven't done that. You don't even have to provide links to CDC or DHHS - I'll take something from a medical journal. Just don't get all uppity when you haven't actually provided that evidence yet. > Why do you think the government recommended booster shots six months later before there were any changes in the formulation. The human immune system slowly loses its resistance to disease over time after an immune response. This is normal. This does not imply that it's worthless after 9 months. That's the evidence that I'm asking for that you have not provided. One more try: in your comment, place your evidence in a block formatted like this: HERE: [link] "quoted section of text that provides evidence for your claim that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months"

scarface_74 3y ago

From your link. > The smallpox vaccine protects people from smallpox by helping their bodies develop immunity to smallpox. Do you see the term “immunity” anywhere on the CDCs sight today with regards to the Covid vaccine? Are you disagreeing that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months? Again from the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-booster.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-boost... > They can help restore protection that has waned since previous vaccination

throw10920 3y ago
> Do you see the term “immunity” anywhere on the CDCs sight today with regards to the Covid vaccine? No, but that could be because individuals like you have extremely opinionated views of what "vaccine" and "immunity" mean, and they don't want further confusion to spread. > Are you disagreeing that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months? OK, I was open-minded and willing to examine evidence that you provided, but you instead provided zero evidence and responded in a hostile manner. It's clear that you're not arguing in good faith. We're done here.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  > No, but that could be because individuals like you have extremely opinionated views of what "vaccine" and "immunity" mean, and they don't want further confusion to spread. So now your excuse is that the CDC is not being truthful or when evidence from reliable sources doesn’t agree with your worldview you dispute the evidence? How are you any better than the anti-cancers who do the same. I haven’t in this entire thread cited any evidence that didn’t come from either the CDC or the DHHS. > OK, I was open-minded and willing to examine evidence that you provided, but you instead provided zero evidence and responded in a hostile manner. It's clear that you're not arguing in good faith. We're done here. Really? You mean the evidence you are ignoring from the CDC? Why do you think the government recommended booster shots six months later before there were any changes in the formulation. I’m presenting quotes from the CDC. Not sone website I found while sitting on the toilet.
  - throw10920 3y ago
    > Really? You mean the evidence you are ignoring from the CDC? Where is the evidence? You never presented it. You linked to https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-booster.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0901-covid-19-boost..., which literally does not contain the word "month". There's nothing in there about the vaccine "looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months". > I haven’t in this entire thread cited any evidence that didn’t come from either the CDC or the DHHS. Then it will be trivial for you to drop links supporting your position, right here, in a response to me. You still haven't done that. You don't even have to provide links to CDC or DHHS - I'll take something from a medical journal. Just don't get all uppity when you haven't actually provided that evidence yet. > Why do you think the government recommended booster shots six months later before there were any changes in the formulation. The human immune system slowly loses its resistance to disease over time after an immune response. This is normal. This does not imply that it's worthless after 9 months. That's the evidence that I'm asking for that you have not provided. One more try: in your comment, place your evidence in a block formatted like this: HERE: [link] "quoted section of text that provides evidence for your claim that the Covid vaccine looses almost all effectiveness after 6 to 9 months"