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You are not a warrior for change against tipping culture by not tipping. Purchasing services and then not tipping or "scaling down tipping" just makes you an en

You are not a warrior for change against tipping culture by not tipping. Purchasing services and then not tipping or "scaling down tipping" just makes you an entitled jerk. There's no sacrifice for you. Your "activism" is conveniently cheaper for you and puts pressure on precisely the wrong person. If you want to change tipping culture, actively apply pressure by never purchasing services if it requires tipping, and following through by writing a letter to the company explaining your decision. Get other people to do it. Or lead by example! Open a restaurant (or delivery service, or hotel, spa, whatever) and pay the staff a living wage and instruct staff to refuse tips. Encourage fellow establishment owners to do the same. When you do purchase services that conventionally expect tips then tip and tip generously.

Retric 3y ago
I boycott and recommended others not tip or at minimum tip less. Tipping actively subsidies non tippers the thief’s you’re so concerned with. Boycott if you have conviction, tip less if you have the willpower, just don’t perpetuate this terrible system.
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AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> There's no sacrifice for you. This is one of the best ways to get something to change. Convince people to do something that benefits them selfishly which at scale causes the evil to become unsustainable. The ideal case is for everyone to adopt this practice as quickly as possible so the evil is eradicated quickly. The harmful thing is to advocate against it so it spreads less quickly and causes the transition period when some people tip and some people don't to last longer before the system is rightfully destroyed.
- rendall 3y ago
  No it's one of the best ways to wrap dubious, self-serving moral bankruptcy and lack of empathy in a shroud of self-righteousness. It's nonsense. I outlined above the only ways to change tipping culture. You really care about the poor, exploited worker? Ask them and listen to what they think you should do to help them. Purchasing services when tipping is the convention and then not tipping ain't it, chief.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    Your suggestions wouldn't be effective: > If you want to change tipping culture, actively apply pressure by never purchasing services if it requires tipping, and following through by writing a letter to the company explaining your decision. Get other people to do it. Most other people don't care enough about the issue to refrain from patronizing services where tipping is expected, even if they agree, because they only care a little and that would increase costs on them rather than reducing them. Asking owners nicely doesn't work, because it's this: > Open a restaurant (or delivery service, or hotel, spa, whatever) and pay the staff a living wage and instruct staff to refuse tips. As long as customers continue to tip elsewhere, doing this is a competitive disadvantage, because your prices will appear higher since they have to include the cost of paying higher wages, and the perverse risk shifting that imposes costs on workers alleviates them from owners. These industries are highly competitive and minor disadvantages are make or break, so it doesn't work in the absence of a culture shift. Another unlikely avenue would be a law that bans tipping, but that is difficult to pass because it doesn't benefit the owners and it doesn't benefit the subset of workers who make the most from tips and customers are unlikely to change their vote over this. It's a standard case where the baddies care about something more and it negatively affects a much larger number of ordinary people but only a little, so we get the rules that benefit the baddies. Which leaves a market-based change driven by customer behavior, i.e. people stop doing it. Which certainly seems like it would work if widely implemented, and people have the selfish incentive to do it, so the only thing preventing it is a harmful preexisting cultural norm that could be eroded through advocacy.

Retric 3y ago

I boycott and recommended others not tip or at minimum tip less. Tipping actively subsidies non tippers the thief’s you’re so concerned with. Boycott if you have conviction, tip less if you have the willpower, just don’t perpetuate this terrible system.

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AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> There's no sacrifice for you. This is one of the best ways to get something to change. Convince people to do something that benefits them selfishly which at scale causes the evil to become unsustainable. The ideal case is for everyone to adopt this practice as quickly as possible so the evil is eradicated quickly. The harmful thing is to advocate against it so it spreads less quickly and causes the transition period when some people tip and some people don't to last longer before the system is rightfully destroyed.

rendall 3y ago
No it's one of the best ways to wrap dubious, self-serving moral bankruptcy and lack of empathy in a shroud of self-righteousness. It's nonsense. I outlined above the only ways to change tipping culture. You really care about the poor, exploited worker? Ask them and listen to what they think you should do to help them. Purchasing services when tipping is the convention and then not tipping ain't it, chief.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Your suggestions wouldn't be effective: > If you want to change tipping culture, actively apply pressure by never purchasing services if it requires tipping, and following through by writing a letter to the company explaining your decision. Get other people to do it. Most other people don't care enough about the issue to refrain from patronizing services where tipping is expected, even if they agree, because they only care a little and that would increase costs on them rather than reducing them. Asking owners nicely doesn't work, because it's this: > Open a restaurant (or delivery service, or hotel, spa, whatever) and pay the staff a living wage and instruct staff to refuse tips. As long as customers continue to tip elsewhere, doing this is a competitive disadvantage, because your prices will appear higher since they have to include the cost of paying higher wages, and the perverse risk shifting that imposes costs on workers alleviates them from owners. These industries are highly competitive and minor disadvantages are make or break, so it doesn't work in the absence of a culture shift. Another unlikely avenue would be a law that bans tipping, but that is difficult to pass because it doesn't benefit the owners and it doesn't benefit the subset of workers who make the most from tips and customers are unlikely to change their vote over this. It's a standard case where the baddies care about something more and it negatively affects a much larger number of ordinary people but only a little, so we get the rules that benefit the baddies. Which leaves a market-based change driven by customer behavior, i.e. people stop doing it. Which certainly seems like it would work if widely implemented, and people have the selfish incentive to do it, so the only thing preventing it is a harmful preexisting cultural norm that could be eroded through advocacy.