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> but in a LOT of companies leaving with no notice puts everybody (coworkers, management, business, client - real human beings) in a crazy bad spot. Not my pro

> but in a LOT of companies leaving with no notice puts everybody (coworkers, management, business, client - real human beings) in a crazy bad spot. Not my problem. Luckily for them, I stay because I practice overemployment.

noirbot 3y ago
I mean, it is your problem if you like any of those people and expect them to maybe be part of your career network in the future. I know I'd have a hard time considering referring someone who gave zero notice when quitting. Sure, it's just business, but that's some pretty anti-social behavior. The person who had to stay behind to clean up the mess you left is unlikely to ever want to help you in the future, or take your call if you want to hire them onto your team at some point You can certainly make it less abrupt in other ways - let people know beforehand or such, but if I showed up on Monday and one of the other senior folks on my team just was gone with no notice and didn't talk with me again, it would be hard to just treat that as normal.
- moate 3y ago
  There’s this one cool trick I learned where labor solidarity means telling coworkers ahead of quitting but not managers. Also not everyone needs “their network” to get jobs. This employee karma from fucking management I’m always threatened with has never been real in any industry I worked in.
  - noirbot 3y ago
    There's definitely ways you could do it well that don't make a mess - telling your coworkers ahead, or at least the ones who would have to take your workload. Or subtly making sure to knowledge-share before you leave. I'm saying this from experience of people doing things as mundane as just moving to another team within the company with little to no notice. Yea, it "fucked management", but I also had to spend 3 months dealing with the mess they left behind, and inherited half-working code that they clearly had neglected because they knew they were about to leave. Labor solidarity isn't just "I screwed capital so it's all a positive". You have to... I dunno, support your fellow laborers. I certainly don't think it's some moral failing to have abandoned a job with no notice, but implying that this is just "fucking management" is missing how much it can really pile stress and bad conditions onto the fellow employees you leave behind. Maybe it's never bitten you, but I know if any of the folks I've worked with who have disappeared with no notice from my team asked me to work with them, I'd be having a hard time trusting them. Maybe they don't care, and they think I'm some corporate stooge or whatever, but when you're totally fine throwing me into the machinery of capitalism to advantage yourself, what would stop you from doing that again?
    - moate 3y ago
      People leaving teams sucks, which is all you seem to be describing. What do you do to management when they hurt you this way (firing/reassigning team members without notice)? How do you fight the corpos? What are some techniques you've come across to cause pain for management that somehow doesn't harm labor? Why aren't your complaints just the voice of management saying that I harmed you (when another way of looking at it as that I liberated myself. Are refugees "throwing their countrymen into the machinery of tyranny"?)?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  About as anti-social as saying "thanks for your time, today will be your last day, and there will be no severance."
  - ambrozk 3y ago
    Yes, which is... anti-social, right? And which you would judge a company for?
NikolaNovak 3y ago
>> Not my problem That is a personal choice and perspective you make, comfortably from a throw away account.
hef19898 3y ago
Honest question, what is overemployment? I never heard that term before.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  Work two or more full time jobs at the same time remotely. Each company assumes I am exclusively their own employee.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Ok, your choice. You do know that you risk loosing both if they find out? And in my neck of the woods they will, since full time employment pays into social security and employers receive feed-bavk in the form of their respective contributions. Nothing I'd recommend, and just for loosing employment, but also for mental health. All that of course goes for two full time jobs. One full time job and some side jobs are acceptable. And unfortunately for some a necessity to make ends meet.
    - nerdix 3y ago
      The mental health thing only matters if you are personally vested in your work and care about what you do. A lot of the overemployed don't. They are trying to walk a fine line and do the absolute minimal required to remain employed at each job. They also care a lot less about being fired from one job since they a fallback.
  - NikolaNovak 3y ago
    Again, personal choices. We all rationalize our own morality :-). You can probably tell how I feel about that level of deception, but as long as you're not in my circle of coworkers or friends, have fun :-).

noirbot 3y ago

I mean, it is your problem if you like any of those people and expect them to maybe be part of your career network in the future. I know I'd have a hard time considering referring someone who gave zero notice when quitting. Sure, it's just business, but that's some pretty anti-social behavior. The person who had to stay behind to clean up the mess you left is unlikely to ever want to help you in the future, or take your call if you want to hire them onto your team at some point You can certainly make it less abrupt in other ways - let people know beforehand or such, but if I showed up on Monday and one of the other senior folks on my team just was gone with no notice and didn't talk with me again, it would be hard to just treat that as normal.

moate 3y ago
There’s this one cool trick I learned where labor solidarity means telling coworkers ahead of quitting but not managers. Also not everyone needs “their network” to get jobs. This employee karma from fucking management I’m always threatened with has never been real in any industry I worked in.
- noirbot 3y ago
  There's definitely ways you could do it well that don't make a mess - telling your coworkers ahead, or at least the ones who would have to take your workload. Or subtly making sure to knowledge-share before you leave. I'm saying this from experience of people doing things as mundane as just moving to another team within the company with little to no notice. Yea, it "fucked management", but I also had to spend 3 months dealing with the mess they left behind, and inherited half-working code that they clearly had neglected because they knew they were about to leave. Labor solidarity isn't just "I screwed capital so it's all a positive". You have to... I dunno, support your fellow laborers. I certainly don't think it's some moral failing to have abandoned a job with no notice, but implying that this is just "fucking management" is missing how much it can really pile stress and bad conditions onto the fellow employees you leave behind. Maybe it's never bitten you, but I know if any of the folks I've worked with who have disappeared with no notice from my team asked me to work with them, I'd be having a hard time trusting them. Maybe they don't care, and they think I'm some corporate stooge or whatever, but when you're totally fine throwing me into the machinery of capitalism to advantage yourself, what would stop you from doing that again?
  - moate 3y ago
    People leaving teams sucks, which is all you seem to be describing. What do you do to management when they hurt you this way (firing/reassigning team members without notice)? How do you fight the corpos? What are some techniques you've come across to cause pain for management that somehow doesn't harm labor? Why aren't your complaints just the voice of management saying that I harmed you (when another way of looking at it as that I liberated myself. Are refugees "throwing their countrymen into the machinery of tyranny"?)?
FireBeyond 3y ago
About as anti-social as saying "thanks for your time, today will be your last day, and there will be no severance."
- ambrozk 3y ago
  Yes, which is... anti-social, right? And which you would judge a company for?

NikolaNovak 3y ago

>> Not my problem That is a personal choice and perspective you make, comfortably from a throw away account.

hef19898 3y ago

Honest question, what is overemployment? I never heard that term before.

throwawaysleep 3y ago
Work two or more full time jobs at the same time remotely. Each company assumes I am exclusively their own employee.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Ok, your choice. You do know that you risk loosing both if they find out? And in my neck of the woods they will, since full time employment pays into social security and employers receive feed-bavk in the form of their respective contributions. Nothing I'd recommend, and just for loosing employment, but also for mental health. All that of course goes for two full time jobs. One full time job and some side jobs are acceptable. And unfortunately for some a necessity to make ends meet.
  - nerdix 3y ago
    The mental health thing only matters if you are personally vested in your work and care about what you do. A lot of the overemployed don't. They are trying to walk a fine line and do the absolute minimal required to remain employed at each job. They also care a lot less about being fired from one job since they a fallback.
- NikolaNovak 3y ago
  Again, personal choices. We all rationalize our own morality :-). You can probably tell how I feel about that level of deception, but as long as you're not in my circle of coworkers or friends, have fun :-).