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The vaccine prevents illness, that's exactly what you are quoting. Thats what the trial was looking for. Look at the chart, about incidence. It absolutely did p

The vaccine prevents illness, that's exactly what you are quoting. Thats what the trial was looking for. Look at the chart, about incidence. It absolutely did prevent getting Covid. I don't understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't merely prevent sever disease, it prevents all incidence of disease.

scarface_74 3y ago
I’m saying that the government claimed that getting the vaccine would “prevent Covid”. Traditionally, when people take “vaccines” that’s the expectation. When the government was suppressing information that now everyone agrees is true - that the vaccines don’t prevent Covid and that the effects were short lived, they lost credibility and the same people who didn’t fight traditional vaccines like we all took as kids became anti-vaxxers and now are railing against vaccines that do actually prevent you from getting diseases
- epistasis 3y ago
  None of this is true. The vaccines prevent covid. The government suppressed nothing. I'm not sure what confusion leads you to say these things, but it is misinformation that you should stop spreading. If I were to encounter somebody saying things like this in a professional context I would immediately question their judgement on all matters, because somebody repeatedly spouting misinformation in the face of contrary data and then claiming there was a conspiracy on top of it all are not the words of a reliable person.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Really? Not even the governments official line anymore is that the vaccines “prevent” Covid. The official line which I agree with completely is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. You cannot possibly tell me that you don’t know a number of people who have gotten vaccinated and still got Covid. Notice that nowhere does the government claim that the vaccine prevents it. From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b... > Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. >A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. > Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      > It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. This is a unthinking semantic misdirection. It is clear that vaccination does not prevent every case of covid in the vaccinated. No-one is seriously saying that, and you don't seem stupid enough to actually think that this "all or nothing" reading is the intended meaning. it is equally clear that vaccination lowers the risk of catching covid. That is to say: it prevents some cases. As well as reducing the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations. Vaccination prevents covid, a percentage of the time. It is not perfect, but gives you better odds no not catching the infection. Therefor: Vaccination prevents covid. As the parent poster said, "you should stop spreading misinformation". Are you usually prone to simplistic, conspiratorial thinking, or do you just have a poor diet of sources of information?
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Can you show any evidence that you are less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated? None of the official wording that I have seen from the CDC or the medical industry has said that > As well as reducing the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations. I’m not arguing that. > As the parent poster said, "you should stop spreading misinformation". Are you usually prone to simplistic, conspiratorial thinking, or do you just have a poor diet of sources of information? So it’s a conspiracy that I’m arguing based on information I’m citing from the CDC? If you find reliable information from the CDC, DHHS, etc I’ll concede that point.
        SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        > Can you show any evidence that you are less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated Can you show me evidence that it's the same likelihood? I am curious as to why you would think that. And I don't see anywhere where the CDC says so. The "serious outcomes" that they talk about are simply easier to measure. But you must have got this deeply misguided idea from somewhere.
        scarface_74 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago

I’m saying that the government claimed that getting the vaccine would “prevent Covid”. Traditionally, when people take “vaccines” that’s the expectation. When the government was suppressing information that now everyone agrees is true - that the vaccines don’t prevent Covid and that the effects were short lived, they lost credibility and the same people who didn’t fight traditional vaccines like we all took as kids became anti-vaxxers and now are railing against vaccines that do actually prevent you from getting diseases

epistasis 3y ago
None of this is true. The vaccines prevent covid. The government suppressed nothing. I'm not sure what confusion leads you to say these things, but it is misinformation that you should stop spreading. If I were to encounter somebody saying things like this in a professional context I would immediately question their judgement on all matters, because somebody repeatedly spouting misinformation in the face of contrary data and then claiming there was a conspiracy on top of it all are not the words of a reliable person.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Really? Not even the governments official line anymore is that the vaccines “prevent” Covid. The official line which I agree with completely is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. You cannot possibly tell me that you don’t know a number of people who have gotten vaccinated and still got Covid. Notice that nowhere does the government claim that the vaccine prevents it. From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b... > Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. >A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. > Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    > It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. This is a unthinking semantic misdirection. It is clear that vaccination does not prevent every case of covid in the vaccinated. No-one is seriously saying that, and you don't seem stupid enough to actually think that this "all or nothing" reading is the intended meaning. it is equally clear that vaccination lowers the risk of catching covid. That is to say: it prevents some cases. As well as reducing the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations. Vaccination prevents covid, a percentage of the time. It is not perfect, but gives you better odds no not catching the infection. Therefor: Vaccination prevents covid. As the parent poster said, "you should stop spreading misinformation". Are you usually prone to simplistic, conspiratorial thinking, or do you just have a poor diet of sources of information?
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Can you show any evidence that you are less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated? None of the official wording that I have seen from the CDC or the medical industry has said that > As well as reducing the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations. I’m not arguing that. > As the parent poster said, "you should stop spreading misinformation". Are you usually prone to simplistic, conspiratorial thinking, or do you just have a poor diet of sources of information? So it’s a conspiracy that I’m arguing based on information I’m citing from the CDC? If you find reliable information from the CDC, DHHS, etc I’ll concede that point.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        > Can you show any evidence that you are less likely to catch Covid if you have been vaccinated Can you show me evidence that it's the same likelihood? I am curious as to why you would think that. And I don't see anywhere where the CDC says so. The "serious outcomes" that they talk about are simply easier to measure. But you must have got this deeply misguided idea from somewhere.
        scarface_74 3y ago