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You should apply a bit more critical thinking to the lines you have been fed. We have to create new flu vaccines every single year, because flu is so varied. T

You should apply a bit more critical thinking to the lines you have been fed. We have to create new flu vaccines every single year, because flu is so varied. They don't see a ton of use, but they save a lot of lives. So thinking that we don't accept this definition of vaccine is just not based in reality. SARS-CoV-2 evolves, particularly under the pressure of resistant hosts, and even people that were infected once can get it many times! Secondly, the vaccines absolutely did reduce the chances of catching covid, by massive amounts. Take even a glance at any of the studies: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389 I would beg you to look back at where you picked up these bits of misinformation, and completely eliminate those sources from your information diet. They can not be trusted, and will infect you again with bad info that puts your health at risk.

scarface_74 3y ago
Your link says > The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease It prevented “severe illness”. I agree with that completely. I said as much. It didn’t say it prevented you from “getting in”. Preventing severe illness is a win. I’ve taken Covid shots every six months for that reason - especially since I have virus induced asthma. But the government originally marketed it as preventing Covid. This and going out of its way to pressure tech companies to suppress what we all agree is the truth now has led to Covid anti-vaxxers.
- epistasis 3y ago
  The vaccine prevents illness, that's exactly what you are quoting. Thats what the trial was looking for. Look at the chart, about incidence. It absolutely did prevent getting Covid. I don't understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't merely prevent sever disease, it prevents all incidence of disease.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    I’m saying that the government claimed that getting the vaccine would “prevent Covid”. Traditionally, when people take “vaccines” that’s the expectation. When the government was suppressing information that now everyone agrees is true - that the vaccines don’t prevent Covid and that the effects were short lived, they lost credibility and the same people who didn’t fight traditional vaccines like we all took as kids became anti-vaxxers and now are railing against vaccines that do actually prevent you from getting diseases
    - epistasis 3y ago
      None of this is true. The vaccines prevent covid. The government suppressed nothing. I'm not sure what confusion leads you to say these things, but it is misinformation that you should stop spreading. If I were to encounter somebody saying things like this in a professional context I would immediately question their judgement on all matters, because somebody repeatedly spouting misinformation in the face of contrary data and then claiming there was a conspiracy on top of it all are not the words of a reliable person.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Really? Not even the governments official line anymore is that the vaccines “prevent” Covid. The official line which I agree with completely is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. You cannot possibly tell me that you don’t know a number of people who have gotten vaccinated and still got Covid. Notice that nowhere does the government claim that the vaccine prevents it. From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b... > Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. >A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. > Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.
throw10920 3y ago
> You should apply a bit more critical thinking to the lines you have been fed. That's incredibly ironic coming from someone who unironically uses the term "misinformation", which is an anti-science emotional manipulation tool meant to suppress dissension, and uses manipulative language like: > I would beg you to look back at where you picked up these bits of misinformation, and completely eliminate those sources from your information diet. They can not be trusted, and will infect you again with bad info that puts your health at risk.

scarface_74 3y ago

Your link says > The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease It prevented “severe illness”. I agree with that completely. I said as much. It didn’t say it prevented you from “getting in”. Preventing severe illness is a win. I’ve taken Covid shots every six months for that reason - especially since I have virus induced asthma. But the government originally marketed it as preventing Covid. This and going out of its way to pressure tech companies to suppress what we all agree is the truth now has led to Covid anti-vaxxers.

epistasis 3y ago
The vaccine prevents illness, that's exactly what you are quoting. Thats what the trial was looking for. Look at the chart, about incidence. It absolutely did prevent getting Covid. I don't understand what you are trying to say. It doesn't merely prevent sever disease, it prevents all incidence of disease.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  I’m saying that the government claimed that getting the vaccine would “prevent Covid”. Traditionally, when people take “vaccines” that’s the expectation. When the government was suppressing information that now everyone agrees is true - that the vaccines don’t prevent Covid and that the effects were short lived, they lost credibility and the same people who didn’t fight traditional vaccines like we all took as kids became anti-vaxxers and now are railing against vaccines that do actually prevent you from getting diseases
  - epistasis 3y ago
    None of this is true. The vaccines prevent covid. The government suppressed nothing. I'm not sure what confusion leads you to say these things, but it is misinformation that you should stop spreading. If I were to encounter somebody saying things like this in a professional context I would immediately question their judgement on all matters, because somebody repeatedly spouting misinformation in the face of contrary data and then claiming there was a conspiracy on top of it all are not the words of a reliable person.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Really? Not even the governments official line anymore is that the vaccines “prevent” Covid. The official line which I agree with completely is that it reduces the risk of serious illness and hospitalizations It’s beyond silly to still argue in 2023 that the vaccine prevents Covid. You cannot possibly tell me that you don’t know a number of people who have gotten vaccinated and still got Covid. Notice that nowhere does the government claim that the vaccine prevents it. From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-b... > Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. >A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19. > Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.

throw10920 3y ago

> You should apply a bit more critical thinking to the lines you have been fed. That's incredibly ironic coming from someone who unironically uses the term "misinformation", which is an anti-science emotional manipulation tool meant to suppress dissension, and uses manipulative language like: > I would beg you to look back at where you picked up these bits of misinformation, and completely eliminate those sources from your information diet. They can not be trusted, and will infect you again with bad info that puts your health at risk.