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> the effects of the vaccine completely disappeared within 6-9 months I don't know if you are anti-vax person disguising as a "just asking reasonable question"

> the effects of the vaccine completely disappeared within 6-9 months I don't know if you are anti-vax person disguising as a "just asking reasonable question" type of person (it's a common tactic), but I had to reply to be sure that anyone reading that understood this was absolutely false. The impact on the death rate and severe outcome of COVID is being seen even years later, so this is absolutely false this entirely disappear within 6-9 months, this is very well documented. This vaccine allowed us to move forward and make sure our hospitals and entire healthcare system stopped being overrun even when we had a 30-40% of the population contracting the virus, this is an absolute win.

scarface_74 3y ago
Did you even read my original post? “even if the “vaccines” did reduce the severity and number of deaths it was a win” I said in another reply that I have “virus induced asthma”. A simple cold will cause my immune system to overact and cause me severe difficultly breathing. I was first in line for the vaccines and I did an MRNA booster before it was recommended in the US because I read what I thought were credible studies from other countries about needing it after the J and J one shot. I’ve also said before that “I retired my wife” who was working as a school bus driver because I didn’t feel it was safe before the vaccine came out. > The impact on the death rate and severe outcome of COVID is being seen even years later I’m not disagreeing with that. You’re preaching to the choir. I am saying it was a messaging problem to call it a vaccine if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the disease.
- hedgehog 3y ago
  I'm not sure where this idea that vaccines 100% prevent disease (or infection) came from. The main reason previous vaccination programs like measles have worked so well is they allowed near eradication so most people never even get exposed, or just less exposed in cases like influenza where there is too much mutation or waning to get close to eradication. That's why immunization requirements at places like schools are useful, if you add too many unvaccinated kids to the mix then even some of the vaccinated kids are likely to get infected and sick. More to the point, lots of people get the flu vaccine and hit or miss whether you still get sick (probably less, but still a bit).
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    And how many of the other vaccines that were mandated by any government for instance to go to school, required you to get boosters to stay effective and how many lost almost all effectiveness within a year? Do you really not see the difference in people’s mind why all except a few crazies were willing to get a vaccine that prevented a disease and maybe lost effectiveness after a decade compared to one that didn’t prevent infections and that did require you to get boosters? It was beyond silly that a cruise I went on in December of 2021 required everyone to be vaccinated (that part is not silly). But at the same time would have accepted my J&J one shot I did in March 2021 where all of the studies showed had lost effectiveness by December. I had an mRNA booster about a month before it was part of the officially guidelines because I read credible studies by government agencies in other countries about it. But they still would have let me on without it. At that point it was “Covid theater”. Yeah I got Covid on the cruise and didn’t even realize I had it until I got home. I’m not saying that to poo poo the vaccine. Usually even a simple cold makes my immune system over react. I credit the vaccine to the mild symptoms

scarface_74 3y ago

Did you even read my original post? “even if the “vaccines” did reduce the severity and number of deaths it was a win” I said in another reply that I have “virus induced asthma”. A simple cold will cause my immune system to overact and cause me severe difficultly breathing. I was first in line for the vaccines and I did an MRNA booster before it was recommended in the US because I read what I thought were credible studies from other countries about needing it after the J and J one shot. I’ve also said before that “I retired my wife” who was working as a school bus driver because I didn’t feel it was safe before the vaccine came out. > The impact on the death rate and severe outcome of COVID is being seen even years later I’m not disagreeing with that. You’re preaching to the choir. I am saying it was a messaging problem to call it a vaccine if it doesn’t prevent you from getting the disease.

hedgehog 3y ago
I'm not sure where this idea that vaccines 100% prevent disease (or infection) came from. The main reason previous vaccination programs like measles have worked so well is they allowed near eradication so most people never even get exposed, or just less exposed in cases like influenza where there is too much mutation or waning to get close to eradication. That's why immunization requirements at places like schools are useful, if you add too many unvaccinated kids to the mix then even some of the vaccinated kids are likely to get infected and sick. More to the point, lots of people get the flu vaccine and hit or miss whether you still get sick (probably less, but still a bit).
- scarface_74 3y ago
  And how many of the other vaccines that were mandated by any government for instance to go to school, required you to get boosters to stay effective and how many lost almost all effectiveness within a year? Do you really not see the difference in people’s mind why all except a few crazies were willing to get a vaccine that prevented a disease and maybe lost effectiveness after a decade compared to one that didn’t prevent infections and that did require you to get boosters? It was beyond silly that a cruise I went on in December of 2021 required everyone to be vaccinated (that part is not silly). But at the same time would have accepted my J&J one shot I did in March 2021 where all of the studies showed had lost effectiveness by December. I had an mRNA booster about a month before it was part of the officially guidelines because I read credible studies by government agencies in other countries about it. But they still would have let me on without it. At that point it was “Covid theater”. Yeah I got Covid on the cruise and didn’t even realize I had it until I got home. I’m not saying that to poo poo the vaccine. Usually even a simple cold makes my immune system over react. I credit the vaccine to the mild symptoms