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That’s just corporate greenwashing BS. Apple should put their money making hardware: iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch on a 3 year product release cycle (since barely a

That’s just corporate greenwashing BS. Apple should put their money making hardware: iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch on a 3 year product release cycle (since barely anything changes year to year). They should make their products repairable. They should not be asking employees to RTO. Once they do those then I’ll believe the corporate marketing slideshow.

stalfosknight 3y ago
Angry cynicism doesn’t refute any of my points which I have backed up with a citation.
- jraph 3y ago
  We can't really make use of this citation because it's marketing, not objective scientific data. This page was done by a marketing team who want to sell you a nice story and a nice picture, not by scientists who are seeking some kind of truth. This web page that says Apple is environmentally friendly weighs more than 20 MB. edit: I just read it, there isn't anything about screen, battery and chipset / CPU production and material sourcing. In short, the big part of what is an actual issue with computer hardware and the environment.
  - stalfosknight 3y ago
    It's a legal document containing the public written statements of a publicly owned corporation including a PDF report with actual data and figures. If you're so sure it's a bunch of "marketing" lies then sue them for false advertising and get that easy win.
    - jraph 3y ago
      I didn't say they are lying. But it's very easy to cherry pick and arrange the looks of things. The kind of stuff you avoid when you are actually seeking truth. Look, I'm not going to convince you at this point. You are also absolutely not going to convince me that this page should be trusted. Let me just suggest you that if you are going to take marketing material at face value, be my guest, but I suspect you are in for some fun rides. And good luck convincing people with (arguments coming from) marketing material too. I suspect this won't work with many people seeking more robust stuff. See my other comment on actual elements that show that Apple is not that geared toward being environmentally friendly. These elements need to be addressed before I start changing my mind on this.

stalfosknight 3y ago

Angry cynicism doesn’t refute any of my points which I have backed up with a citation.

jraph 3y ago
We can't really make use of this citation because it's marketing, not objective scientific data. This page was done by a marketing team who want to sell you a nice story and a nice picture, not by scientists who are seeking some kind of truth. This web page that says Apple is environmentally friendly weighs more than 20 MB. edit: I just read it, there isn't anything about screen, battery and chipset / CPU production and material sourcing. In short, the big part of what is an actual issue with computer hardware and the environment.
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  It's a legal document containing the public written statements of a publicly owned corporation including a PDF report with actual data and figures. If you're so sure it's a bunch of "marketing" lies then sue them for false advertising and get that easy win.
  - jraph 3y ago
    I didn't say they are lying. But it's very easy to cherry pick and arrange the looks of things. The kind of stuff you avoid when you are actually seeking truth. Look, I'm not going to convince you at this point. You are also absolutely not going to convince me that this page should be trusted. Let me just suggest you that if you are going to take marketing material at face value, be my guest, but I suspect you are in for some fun rides. And good luck convincing people with (arguments coming from) marketing material too. I suspect this won't work with many people seeking more robust stuff. See my other comment on actual elements that show that Apple is not that geared toward being environmentally friendly. These elements need to be addressed before I start changing my mind on this.