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One wonders what legitimate reason there is to downvote a comment about what has worked (and not) for that person.

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itsoktocry 3y ago
Preface this by saying I have nothing against Ozempic, and its uses. But there are people (myself included) who do not believe for one second that there are people who if they actually watch what they eat and exercise, can't lose weight. Outside of extremely rare conditions, I don't believe that's possible. And yet so many people claim it. Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. The opioid crisis has taught me that some doctors will put you on drugs without a care in the world to the consequences. Not that hard to find one who will tell you what you want to hear. Look at this thread. Everyone taking these drugs has some metabolic condition?
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  What do I know. I just see someone who has an anecdote about it working and being downvoted just based on that (what else can the downvotes be about?). Mostly though I care about what works. Not obsessing over whether the “true way” would have worked for them as well. Have they achieved their goals? Great, done. > Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. If this is so inconsequential and all of that... then why are you obsessing over it? Literally what does it matter, lol? They did something that worked so their work is done. But, what, their next task is to do a confessional about their laziness or whatever to some random strangers? This is so entitled that it has become farcical. > Look at this thread. Everyone taking these drugs has some metabolic condition? Are you surprised that a thread about X has a disproportionate amount of anecdotes about X? Threads on X don't attract a uniform sampling of the population.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >then why are you obsessing over it? Obsessing over it? You asked a question on a forum, I answered it. How do you think this works? >But, what, their next task is to do a confessional about their laziness or whatever to some random strangers? You already did that, though. >Are you surprised that a thread about X has a disproportionate amount of anecdotes about X? I'm not surprised there are many people in this thread using Ozempic. It's a very popular drug. I am very surprised (and don't believe for a second) that all of these people have metabolic conditions, rather than a lack of willingness to diet. And, yes, I'm laughing at the fact that you think doctor 1 (no financial gain for his advice) is dumb, but doctor 2 (much financial gain for prescribing the drug) is the one who has it all figured out.
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      > Obsessing over it? You asked a question on a forum, I answered it. How do you think this works? Why are you preoccupied with how someone should “just admit it”? (You don't have to answer that. I'm rephrasing it.) > You already did that, though. My confessional is where? Again, your continued interest in people's supposed character rather than their health outcomes is revealing. > And, yes, I'm laughing at the fact that you think doctor 1 (no financial gain for his advice) is dumb, but doctor 2 (much financial gain for prescribing the drug) is the one who has it all figured out. I haven't said that the first doctor is wrong. But I suspect that you have failed at reading user handles...
      - itsoktocry 3y ago
        >Why are you preoccupied Do you even know what the words mean that you're using? This is a discussion board for discussing things. I have thousands of comments here. >Again, your continued interest in people's supposed character rather than their health outcomes is revealing. You have no idea what the long term consequences are of taking Ozempic. We do know the long term benefits of eating healthy and exercising. I'd say that is caring about health outcomes.
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- nathanyz 3y ago
  Are some people smarter than others? Do some people have better ability to sprint versus others? Do some people win the genetic lottery and have rich parents that can provide greater benefits to them than others? If the answer to any of these questions is in fact yes, then is it possible that some people are hungrier than others? Can you willpower your way through a job that is easy for others, yes. Can you willpower your way to a better sprinter, yes. Can you willpower your way to a million dollar net worth, yes. Can you willpower your way to eat less, yes again. But to ignore that some people may need less willpower than others is a position that wreaks of entitlement and ignores the possibility that in so many ways we each are born with different strengths and weaknesses that impact our life. Nobody is denying willpower can help you overcome many obstacles, but if you could take a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    > if you could take a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week. You are vastly underestimating the amount of people who don't believe in silver bullets or miracle pills, and you are certainly showing some (willful?) ignorance of all the history of drugs who got into the market and showed side-effects long after its introduction in the market.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week. What a silly analogy. If I could take a pill to make me a millionaire, but it substantially increased my chance of a debilitating illness, no I would not take it. Do you think that taking Ozempic is a free lunch? It might be...but I doubt it.
    - davidivadavid 3y ago
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    - fragmede 3y ago
- jnovek 3y ago
  I don't have a metabolic condition, but I am on medications for a chronic condition that have "weight gain" as a side effect. I don't know why these medications cause weight gain, but I can tell you from experience that they do. I have to be very careful.
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >I don't have a metabolic condition, but I am on medications for a chronic condition that have "weight gain" as a side effect. Perfectly reasonable, and I bet this drug has been a boon.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  > Preface this by saying I have nothing against Ozempic, and its uses. But there are people (myself included) who do not believe for one second that there are people who if they actually watch what they eat and exercise, can't lose weight. Outside of extremely rare conditions, I don't believe that's possible. And yet so many people claim it. Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. My sibling, who has an addictive personality trait, required bariatric surgery after attempting for years to lose the weight (~120lbs overweight). Their doctor told them if they didn't lose the weight, it was going to kill them. Post surgery, they are in the best shape of their life. Insurance covered it, because they demonstrated they attempted all other options first. They simply can no longer overeat now due to the plumbing update. But sure, laziness. Feelings over data. Shockingly common. (these drugs were in clinical trials at the time their surgery was scheduled, and were inaccessible to them)
  - itsoktocry 3y ago
    >But sure, laziness. Feelings over data. Shockingly common. What point do you think you're proving here? Your sibling, with some rare condition, is anecdata. Do you honestly think this is the common use case for Ozempic? Maybe you should try looking at the data. America has an obesity problem, and it isn't because there's widespread metabolic conditions. People eat too much and move too little. The use of this drug is 90% cosmetic. And, as I said, have at it. Elon using this drug was one of the first times I'd heard of it. Metabolic condition, of course. This is no different than half the population having ADHD and being on stimulants. Or Quaaludes. Or whatever. It happens over and over.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      America does have an obesity problem and you think it's willpower. Does that make sense? 41% of the population just can't will their way to a healthy BMI? You say my sibling has a "rare condition" while admitting America has an obesity problem? Does that sound rare? I absolutely believe these drugs are a solution for genetic predisposition and a society that has engineered people into unhealthy lifestyles. Remember this comment when the next Pepsi semi trailer rolls by. > This is no different than half the population having ADHD and being on stimulants. Or Quaaludes. Or whatever. It happens over and over. I think we have different ideas of genetics and brain chemistry leading to outcomes.

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Preface this by saying I have nothing against Ozempic, and its uses. But there are people (myself included) who do not believe for one second that there are people who if they actually watch what they eat and exercise, can't lose weight. Outside of extremely rare conditions, I don't believe that's possible. And yet so many people claim it. Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. The opioid crisis has taught me that some doctors will put you on drugs without a care in the world to the consequences. Not that hard to find one who will tell you what you want to hear. Look at this thread. Everyone taking these drugs has some metabolic condition?

avgcorrection 3y ago
What do I know. I just see someone who has an anecdote about it working and being downvoted just based on that (what else can the downvotes be about?). Mostly though I care about what works. Not obsessing over whether the “true way” would have worked for them as well. Have they achieved their goals? Great, done. > Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. If this is so inconsequential and all of that... then why are you obsessing over it? Literally what does it matter, lol? They did something that worked so their work is done. But, what, their next task is to do a confessional about their laziness or whatever to some random strangers? This is so entitled that it has become farcical. > Look at this thread. Everyone taking these drugs has some metabolic condition? Are you surprised that a thread about X has a disproportionate amount of anecdotes about X? Threads on X don't attract a uniform sampling of the population.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >then why are you obsessing over it? Obsessing over it? You asked a question on a forum, I answered it. How do you think this works? >But, what, their next task is to do a confessional about their laziness or whatever to some random strangers? You already did that, though. >Are you surprised that a thread about X has a disproportionate amount of anecdotes about X? I'm not surprised there are many people in this thread using Ozempic. It's a very popular drug. I am very surprised (and don't believe for a second) that all of these people have metabolic conditions, rather than a lack of willingness to diet. And, yes, I'm laughing at the fact that you think doctor 1 (no financial gain for his advice) is dumb, but doctor 2 (much financial gain for prescribing the drug) is the one who has it all figured out.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    > Obsessing over it? You asked a question on a forum, I answered it. How do you think this works? Why are you preoccupied with how someone should “just admit it”? (You don't have to answer that. I'm rephrasing it.) > You already did that, though. My confessional is where? Again, your continued interest in people's supposed character rather than their health outcomes is revealing. > And, yes, I'm laughing at the fact that you think doctor 1 (no financial gain for his advice) is dumb, but doctor 2 (much financial gain for prescribing the drug) is the one who has it all figured out. I haven't said that the first doctor is wrong. But I suspect that you have failed at reading user handles...
    - itsoktocry 3y ago
      >Why are you preoccupied Do you even know what the words mean that you're using? This is a discussion board for discussing things. I have thousands of comments here. >Again, your continued interest in people's supposed character rather than their health outcomes is revealing. You have no idea what the long term consequences are of taking Ozempic. We do know the long term benefits of eating healthy and exercising. I'd say that is caring about health outcomes.
      - 3y ago
nathanyz 3y ago
Are some people smarter than others? Do some people have better ability to sprint versus others? Do some people win the genetic lottery and have rich parents that can provide greater benefits to them than others? If the answer to any of these questions is in fact yes, then is it possible that some people are hungrier than others? Can you willpower your way through a job that is easy for others, yes. Can you willpower your way to a better sprinter, yes. Can you willpower your way to a million dollar net worth, yes. Can you willpower your way to eat less, yes again. But to ignore that some people may need less willpower than others is a position that wreaks of entitlement and ignores the possibility that in so many ways we each are born with different strengths and weaknesses that impact our life. Nobody is denying willpower can help you overcome many obstacles, but if you could take a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week.
- rglullis 3y ago
  > if you could take a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week. You are vastly underestimating the amount of people who don't believe in silver bullets or miracle pills, and you are certainly showing some (willful?) ignorance of all the history of drugs who got into the market and showed side-effects long after its introduction in the market.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >a pill to make you instantly a millionaire, my guess is you would go that route versus willpower any day of the week. What a silly analogy. If I could take a pill to make me a millionaire, but it substantially increased my chance of a debilitating illness, no I would not take it. Do you think that taking Ozempic is a free lunch? It might be...but I doubt it.
  - davidivadavid 3y ago
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  - fragmede 3y ago
jnovek 3y ago
I don't have a metabolic condition, but I am on medications for a chronic condition that have "weight gain" as a side effect. I don't know why these medications cause weight gain, but I can tell you from experience that they do. I have to be very careful.
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >I don't have a metabolic condition, but I am on medications for a chronic condition that have "weight gain" as a side effect. Perfectly reasonable, and I bet this drug has been a boon.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
> Preface this by saying I have nothing against Ozempic, and its uses. But there are people (myself included) who do not believe for one second that there are people who if they actually watch what they eat and exercise, can't lose weight. Outside of extremely rare conditions, I don't believe that's possible. And yet so many people claim it. Just admit that you want a shortcut, there's nothing wrong with that. My sibling, who has an addictive personality trait, required bariatric surgery after attempting for years to lose the weight (~120lbs overweight). Their doctor told them if they didn't lose the weight, it was going to kill them. Post surgery, they are in the best shape of their life. Insurance covered it, because they demonstrated they attempted all other options first. They simply can no longer overeat now due to the plumbing update. But sure, laziness. Feelings over data. Shockingly common. (these drugs were in clinical trials at the time their surgery was scheduled, and were inaccessible to them)
- itsoktocry 3y ago
  >But sure, laziness. Feelings over data. Shockingly common. What point do you think you're proving here? Your sibling, with some rare condition, is anecdata. Do you honestly think this is the common use case for Ozempic? Maybe you should try looking at the data. America has an obesity problem, and it isn't because there's widespread metabolic conditions. People eat too much and move too little. The use of this drug is 90% cosmetic. And, as I said, have at it. Elon using this drug was one of the first times I'd heard of it. Metabolic condition, of course. This is no different than half the population having ADHD and being on stimulants. Or Quaaludes. Or whatever. It happens over and over.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    America does have an obesity problem and you think it's willpower. Does that make sense? 41% of the population just can't will their way to a healthy BMI? You say my sibling has a "rare condition" while admitting America has an obesity problem? Does that sound rare? I absolutely believe these drugs are a solution for genetic predisposition and a society that has engineered people into unhealthy lifestyles. Remember this comment when the next Pepsi semi trailer rolls by. > This is no different than half the population having ADHD and being on stimulants. Or Quaaludes. Or whatever. It happens over and over. I think we have different ideas of genetics and brain chemistry leading to outcomes.