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>given the issues with the far-right in Saxony What does that have to do with anything? California has plenty of neonazis itself. The western world in general

by mikrl 3y ago

>given the issues with the far-right in Saxony What does that have to do with anything? California has plenty of neonazis itself. The western world in general has no lack of far right extremists.

ARandomerDude 3y ago
Or far-left ones, for that matter.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Far left ones don't go and shout "Ausländer raus" while marching in the thousands, which was a common occurrence during the high days of the weekly "Pegida" nazi marches in Dresden. Nor do they randomly beat up random people (not to mention protesters) that are just standing around [1]. [1] https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2018-10/rechtsextremismus-pegida-demonstration-ermittlungsverfahren-justiz https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2018-10/recht...
  - trashtester 3y ago
    While far left violence is currently a smaller problem in Germany than far right violence, it certainly exists. This article [1] claims that there were 399 reported assaults associated with left-wing extremists, compared to 1013 associated with right-wing extremists. Edit: and when it comes to property damage and arson, the far left is worse than the far right by about 3:1 [2]. This may be particularily relevant for companies who want to start new businesses. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/left-wing-extremism-in-germany-how-much-of-a-threat-is-it/a-65807817 https://www.dw.com/en/left-wing-extremism-in-germany-how-muc... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/963069/right-wing-left-wing-crimes-by-type-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/963069/right-wing-left-w...
  - redeeman 3y ago
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trough 3y ago
There are some concerns that the internationally recognized image of Saxony as an extremely xenophobic region will deter international talent. The main problem isn’t staffing the plant with human assembly and packaging drones but having engineers and IT join permanently after production starts. Rural saxony is not a place where you want to live if even your last name isn’t deemed ‘white’ or ‘German’ enough. And after years of cultivating this image it started to work against the best interests of the more rural parts of the region: brain drain galore and no sane person seeking work in a future proof place to build a life would come.
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- qwytw 3y ago
  > Saxony as an extremely xenophobic region That seems like a 'slight' overstatement. Saxony is also full of crypto-communists (third highest polling state for Linke)... > The main problem isn’t staffing the plant with human assembly and packaging So why on earth are these companies building they are fabs there instead of some other place in Germany? I mean they can't be that stupid to not understand all of this?
- telotortium 3y ago
  Let me know when companies actually start pulling out of Saxony (not blog posts from randos - most people don't care as much about politics as the people who wrote those blog posts do).
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  Translation: there are a lot of talented Asians, and we’re worried they won’t want to live there. Is that accurate? It seems like most of the US has this problem. And yet rural IT always seems to find a way. I’m in Lake Saint Louis with gigabit symmetric fiber, which is a dream. We were backwater for awhile, but post COVID a lot of talent can be sourced remotely, at least for software. Is a fab really so regional? I could imagine them having a team in Taiwan who they work with remotely. But I know very little about fab plants, and it sounds like you have a better idea of their engineering and IT requirements. I used to work at Groq, a hardware company, and we were fully remote. So I’ve seen this work in practice. (It’s a tossup whether Groq will succeed, but that’s a separate conversation.)
mschuster91 3y ago
Because discrimination is a common cause that makes people leave, most notably in Eastern Germany [1]. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/fachkraeftemangel-bloss-nicht-deutschland-a-671aedd8-4dae-4a15-9b54-e9122e4e1b2c https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/fachkraeftemangel-bloss-ni...
- mikrl 3y ago
  How are the bordering regions of Czechia and Poland? Do they have the same issues? I assume the open border facilitates travel somewhat.

by mikrl 3y ago

>given the issues with the far-right in Saxony What does that have to do with anything? California has plenty of neonazis itself. The western world in general has no lack of far right extremists.

ARandomerDude 3y ago

Or far-left ones, for that matter.

mschuster91 3y ago
Far left ones don't go and shout "Ausländer raus" while marching in the thousands, which was a common occurrence during the high days of the weekly "Pegida" nazi marches in Dresden. Nor do they randomly beat up random people (not to mention protesters) that are just standing around [1]. [1] https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2018-10/rechtsextremismus-pegida-demonstration-ermittlungsverfahren-justiz https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2018-10/recht...
- trashtester 3y ago
  While far left violence is currently a smaller problem in Germany than far right violence, it certainly exists. This article [1] claims that there were 399 reported assaults associated with left-wing extremists, compared to 1013 associated with right-wing extremists. Edit: and when it comes to property damage and arson, the far left is worse than the far right by about 3:1 [2]. This may be particularily relevant for companies who want to start new businesses. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/left-wing-extremism-in-germany-how-much-of-a-threat-is-it/a-65807817 https://www.dw.com/en/left-wing-extremism-in-germany-how-muc... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/963069/right-wing-left-wing-crimes-by-type-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/963069/right-wing-left-w...
- redeeman 3y ago
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trough 3y ago

There are some concerns that the internationally recognized image of Saxony as an extremely xenophobic region will deter international talent. The main problem isn’t staffing the plant with human assembly and packaging drones but having engineers and IT join permanently after production starts. Rural saxony is not a place where you want to live if even your last name isn’t deemed ‘white’ or ‘German’ enough. And after years of cultivating this image it started to work against the best interests of the more rural parts of the region: brain drain galore and no sane person seeking work in a future proof place to build a life would come.

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qwytw 3y ago
> Saxony as an extremely xenophobic region That seems like a 'slight' overstatement. Saxony is also full of crypto-communists (third highest polling state for Linke)... > The main problem isn’t staffing the plant with human assembly and packaging So why on earth are these companies building they are fabs there instead of some other place in Germany? I mean they can't be that stupid to not understand all of this?
telotortium 3y ago
Let me know when companies actually start pulling out of Saxony (not blog posts from randos - most people don't care as much about politics as the people who wrote those blog posts do).
sillysaurusx 3y ago
Translation: there are a lot of talented Asians, and we’re worried they won’t want to live there. Is that accurate? It seems like most of the US has this problem. And yet rural IT always seems to find a way. I’m in Lake Saint Louis with gigabit symmetric fiber, which is a dream. We were backwater for awhile, but post COVID a lot of talent can be sourced remotely, at least for software. Is a fab really so regional? I could imagine them having a team in Taiwan who they work with remotely. But I know very little about fab plants, and it sounds like you have a better idea of their engineering and IT requirements. I used to work at Groq, a hardware company, and we were fully remote. So I’ve seen this work in practice. (It’s a tossup whether Groq will succeed, but that’s a separate conversation.)

mschuster91 3y ago

Because discrimination is a common cause that makes people leave, most notably in Eastern Germany [1]. [1] https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/fachkraeftemangel-bloss-nicht-deutschland-a-671aedd8-4dae-4a15-9b54-e9122e4e1b2c https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/fachkraeftemangel-bloss-ni...

mikrl 3y ago
How are the bordering regions of Czechia and Poland? Do they have the same issues? I assume the open border facilitates travel somewhat.