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I would be hard pressed to call a transient operational issue of their service "actively screwing" you.
by vore 3y ago
I would be hard pressed to call a transient operational issue of their service "actively screwing" you.
- factorialboy 3y agoYou missed the point. Apple tracks every app launch. And reports it to an external server. Not localized. Not anonymized.
- tomnipotent 3y agoYou didn't make a point. App telemetry is absolutely benign compared to the kind of invasive ad tracking that Facebook participates in. There's no shortage of horror stories of poorly implemented Facebook Pixel integrations passing sensitive user data that marketers then use to create custom ad campaigns. Most recent examples that come to mind: https://www.extremetech.com/internet/341111-tax-filing-websites-caught-sending-users-financial-data-to-facebook https://www.extremetech.com/internet/341111-tax-filing-websi... https://gizmodo.com/sat-college-board-tells-facebook-tiktok-your-scores-gpa-1850768077 https://gizmodo.com/sat-college-board-tells-facebook-tiktok-... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/27/nhs-data-breach-trusts-shared-patient-details-with-facebook-meta-without-consent https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/27/nhs-data-bre... https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/12/13/out-of-control-dozens-of-telehealth-startups-sent-sensitive-health-information-to-big-tech-companies https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/12/13/out-of-control-d...
- Draiken 3y agoIt might be less awful, but in no way, shape or form it is benign.
- tomnipotent 3y agoApple is using the data first-party only and isn't reselling or otherwise making it available for third parties to use. Explain how it's not benign, other than "tracking bad". How does it harm consumers, or put customers at risk?
- Draiken 3y agoBecause it will. It's simply inevitable because of the system we live in. At some point or another, they will need to grow revenue and suddenly that trove of data they have collected beforehand, regardless of its initial purpose, will be used to screw customers. The only way to protect against this is to not let them have that in the first place. Once they have it, it's impossible to guarantee it won't be misused sooner or later.
- tomnipotent 3y agoI don't think you're going to convince anyone by pulling some fiction out of thin air and trying to pass it off as inevitable truth. With regards to Apple, there's more evidence refuting you than supporting you.
- Draiken 3y agoThis inevitability is inherent to our system. It's not specific to Apple. I don't need to convince anyone of this. History will repeat itself as it always does.
- tomnipotent 3y agoWhat an absolutely absurd generalization wrapped in aphorism. There is nothing in history that is absolutely repeated in all instances, nor is "history repeats itself" a valid argument that proves anything other than lazy thinking.
- Draiken 3y agoCome on man. This is not an abstract thought. You don't need to go far to see examples of this exact scenario. You can choose to ignore it. That's your prerogative. But what I'm saying is not a lazy generalization. It's backed by what happened and continues to happen in our current day and age. Almost no company starts as an evil entity. But they definitely end up there once they grow large enough.
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- satvikpendem 3y agoWhat is this false dichotomy? Both can be bad, even if one is less bad than the other. It doesn't make either "benign."
- tomnipotent 3y ago> It doesn't make either "benign." It's literally benign by definition. benign adjective a: of a mild type or character that does not threaten health or life b: having no significant effect : harmless Provide evidence or argument that it's not benign.
- satvikpendem 3y agoAll tracking is bad, therefore it's not benign. Benign tracking is no tracking.
- tomnipotent 3y ago> All tracking is bad All absolutes are wrong. I can play that game, too.
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- threeseed 3y agoIt can't be done locally since Apple needs the ability to revoke certificates at will.