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Looks nice. Too bad they won't develop for Android.

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criddell 3y ago
Are there good Android tables with something like the Pencil? If so, then maybe that's an opportunity for somebody because there's clearly nothing like it on Android (at least that was the case a couple of years ago). The only problem is Procreate have set their price way too low. There's no way I'd want to start working on something as grand as Procreate and then sell it for $15.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  Samsungs tablets are great and I prefer the S-pen to the Apple Pencil. Hardware isn't the bottleneck. They just don't want to. I think they have some exclusivity deal with Apple. Would explain a few things. Infinite Painter and Hipaint(procreate clone) are really the only android alternatives to what procreate is going for.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    As with anything Android, it comes down to market share and variance. I doubt there’s an exclusivity agreement. Samsung has really great products. How many people are buying that instead of an iPad? So many of my Android using friends will have an iPad. Google let Android on tablets languish for years and the result is they’re such a small part of the marketplace that very few app developers can justify the return on investment. And then even from those few Android tablets, how many have a good pen outside of Samsung? It’s a niche of a niche of a niche to target
    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      Samsung's global tablet market share is still huge even if lagging apple. 23.1 vs 35.4 as of Q1 2023. People are buying android tablets and there are lots of downloads for the apps that do exist on Android. "Market Share" would be a silly reason not to expand. The market is evidently there. The only valid reasons are not having the capital to expand or having too small a team. Neither of which really apply to Procreate. Even procreate don't give the market share excuse when asked. It's not a valid one.
      - dagmx 3y ago
        Out of curiosity, where are you getting those numbers? I'm seeing over 40-55% for iPad in all my links, which is quite significant. I'm not talking about single quarter shipments People are buying android tablets. I'm not arguing that. But what percent of that tablet market has a pen they can target, and has consistent hardware support for everything else like graphics APIs? Having done mobile dev, even across Samsung devices you have high variance in Vulkan support and bugs for example. Deploying even Unreal Engine or Unity games can be a minefield of compatibility testing. It's lots of little and big things IMHO that often make it a difficult ROI to swallow.
        Jtsummers 3y ago
        Their numbers seem to come from here (or wherever this site gets its numbers): https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held... However, those numbers are not about deployed market share but about market share of shipments. Related numbers, certainly, but not the same.
      - ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
        Android tablet users are poor and don't buy apps.
  - manicennui 3y ago
    I bought a top-of-the-line Samsung tablet a couple years ago to give it a chance. They are not at all comparable to iPads. Android tablets are terrible.
  - criddell 3y ago
    Maybe the problem is that Android already has decent and established painting apps. Procreate would get a small part of a smaller market. Big risk for not enough reward.
  - MikusR 3y ago
    Probably no exclusivity. But there have been cases where an app that was only on ios decided to release android version. And immediately all their Apple contacts stopped talking to them. No more featured placement on appstore.
- awfulneutral 3y ago
  Yeah, this price is frustrating from a small developer perspective. Back when prices were established, tablets weren't used for anything serious, so productivity apps were simple and cheap. Now Procreate is used for professional work and it competes with desktop apps that are much more expensive. Users still expect tablet app prices to be unrealistically low. I guess Procreate can do it because they have a huge amount of the market already. But in the long term it isn't sustainable to keep improving the same app, if everyone already bought the app.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  The Samsung tablets, especially the most recent ones are great for drawing, so much so that my S8 Ultra has almost completely replaced the larger dedicated pentab I have on my desk. The most capable drawing software on Android right now is probably Clip Studio Paint, which I think has some sort of limited exclusivity arrangement with Samsung (presuming that they paid for the port), as some android-specific features seemed to have a couple of months of Samsung exclusivity before being opened up to all devices.
- freedomben 3y ago
  My wife is an artist and she really likes her Samsung with S-Pen. It's pretty nice, and way cheaper than an iPad
ballenf 3y ago
Supporting one platform really, really well or two platforms decently well. Also you would always have divergence in capabilities, so you'd basically have two separate products and those predictable complaints: "but my tablet can also do xyz, if you only take advantage of this much-harder-to-use undocumented API that only works on 9% of devices using this OS". No arguing the situation sucks, however.

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Are there good Android tables with something like the Pencil? If so, then maybe that's an opportunity for somebody because there's clearly nothing like it on Android (at least that was the case a couple of years ago). The only problem is Procreate have set their price way too low. There's no way I'd want to start working on something as grand as Procreate and then sell it for $15.

famouswaffles 3y ago
Samsungs tablets are great and I prefer the S-pen to the Apple Pencil. Hardware isn't the bottleneck. They just don't want to. I think they have some exclusivity deal with Apple. Would explain a few things. Infinite Painter and Hipaint(procreate clone) are really the only android alternatives to what procreate is going for.
- dagmx 3y ago
  As with anything Android, it comes down to market share and variance. I doubt there’s an exclusivity agreement. Samsung has really great products. How many people are buying that instead of an iPad? So many of my Android using friends will have an iPad. Google let Android on tablets languish for years and the result is they’re such a small part of the marketplace that very few app developers can justify the return on investment. And then even from those few Android tablets, how many have a good pen outside of Samsung? It’s a niche of a niche of a niche to target
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    Samsung's global tablet market share is still huge even if lagging apple. 23.1 vs 35.4 as of Q1 2023. People are buying android tablets and there are lots of downloads for the apps that do exist on Android. "Market Share" would be a silly reason not to expand. The market is evidently there. The only valid reasons are not having the capital to expand or having too small a team. Neither of which really apply to Procreate. Even procreate don't give the market share excuse when asked. It's not a valid one.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      Out of curiosity, where are you getting those numbers? I'm seeing over 40-55% for iPad in all my links, which is quite significant. I'm not talking about single quarter shipments People are buying android tablets. I'm not arguing that. But what percent of that tablet market has a pen they can target, and has consistent hardware support for everything else like graphics APIs? Having done mobile dev, even across Samsung devices you have high variance in Vulkan support and bugs for example. Deploying even Unreal Engine or Unity games can be a minefield of compatibility testing. It's lots of little and big things IMHO that often make it a difficult ROI to swallow.
      - Jtsummers 3y ago
        Their numbers seem to come from here (or wherever this site gets its numbers): https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held... However, those numbers are not about deployed market share but about market share of shipments. Related numbers, certainly, but not the same.
    - ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
      Android tablet users are poor and don't buy apps.
- manicennui 3y ago
  I bought a top-of-the-line Samsung tablet a couple years ago to give it a chance. They are not at all comparable to iPads. Android tablets are terrible.
- criddell 3y ago
  Maybe the problem is that Android already has decent and established painting apps. Procreate would get a small part of a smaller market. Big risk for not enough reward.
- MikusR 3y ago
  Probably no exclusivity. But there have been cases where an app that was only on ios decided to release android version. And immediately all their Apple contacts stopped talking to them. No more featured placement on appstore.
awfulneutral 3y ago
Yeah, this price is frustrating from a small developer perspective. Back when prices were established, tablets weren't used for anything serious, so productivity apps were simple and cheap. Now Procreate is used for professional work and it competes with desktop apps that are much more expensive. Users still expect tablet app prices to be unrealistically low. I guess Procreate can do it because they have a huge amount of the market already. But in the long term it isn't sustainable to keep improving the same app, if everyone already bought the app.
dotnet00 3y ago
The Samsung tablets, especially the most recent ones are great for drawing, so much so that my S8 Ultra has almost completely replaced the larger dedicated pentab I have on my desk. The most capable drawing software on Android right now is probably Clip Studio Paint, which I think has some sort of limited exclusivity arrangement with Samsung (presuming that they paid for the port), as some android-specific features seemed to have a couple of months of Samsung exclusivity before being opened up to all devices.
freedomben 3y ago
My wife is an artist and she really likes her Samsung with S-Pen. It's pretty nice, and way cheaper than an iPad

ballenf 3y ago

Supporting one platform really, really well or two platforms decently well. Also you would always have divergence in capabilities, so you'd basically have two separate products and those predictable complaints: "but my tablet can also do xyz, if you only take advantage of this much-harder-to-use undocumented API that only works on 9% of devices using this OS". No arguing the situation sucks, however.