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But… but… a well-armed society is a polite society? Something about high gun death rates seems oddly impolite.

by ttfkam 3y ago

RecycledEle 3y ago
Not if the kids dying were trying to rob a liquor store when they got shot. Lethal force against one criminal stops hundreds or thousands of future crimes by that one criminal. It also deters other potential criminals. If guns were lethal 100% of the time, we would have much less crime.
- ttfkam 3y ago
  > It also deters other potential criminals. [citation needed] The original article would imply this simply ain't so. This follows the same logic that the death penalty acts as a deterrent when no correlation between states with a death penalty and lower violent crime rates exist (let alone a causal link).
  - RecycledEle 3y ago
    More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws by John R. Lott Jr. https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660 https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp...
    - ttfkam 3y ago
      > despite all the attacks by gun-control advocates, no one has ever been able to refute Lott’s simple, startling conclusion that more guns mean less crime. Crimes rates vary significantly between the states, with states with such as Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee experiencing much higher crime rates than states such as Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. For reference, Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee are not lacking in guns per capita. (New Mexico is in fact 3rd in gun ownership behind Wyoming and D.C.) Some of the world's lowest crime rates are seen in Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Japan, and New Zealand. Each of these countries has very effective law enforcement, and Denmark, Norway, and Japan have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world. So… more guns clearly does not equate to lower crime either globally or nationally. Unless of course you're trying to sell a book, which gullible folks are quite eager to buy and publicize in order to justify their love of guns over reason.
- tadfisher 3y ago
  Yeah, John Carmack should have been shot when he was breaking and entering his school to steal computers. Think of all his infamous deeds that could have been prevented.
mjfl 3y ago
north eastern gun owning states such as Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are doing just fine. We see Louisiana, Mississippi, and Washington DC as deep purple on this map. Everyone knows what this chart is measuring.
- ttfkam 3y ago
  Population density? Amount of gerrymandering and voter suppression? Length of time spent in segregation? Amount of annual snowfall? By all means, share with us what YOU think "everyone" knows.

But… but… a well-armed society is a polite society? Something about high gun death rates seems oddly impolite.

by ttfkam 3y ago

But… but… a well-armed society is a polite society? Something about high gun death rates seems oddly impolite.

Not if the kids dying were trying to rob a liquor store when they got shot. Lethal force against one criminal stops hundreds or thousands of future crimes by that one criminal. It also deters other potential criminals. If guns were lethal 100% of the time, we would have much less crime.

ttfkam 3y ago
> It also deters other potential criminals. [citation needed] The original article would imply this simply ain't so. This follows the same logic that the death penalty acts as a deterrent when no correlation between states with a death penalty and lower violent crime rates exist (let alone a causal link).
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws by John R. Lott Jr. https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660 https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp...
  - ttfkam 3y ago
    > despite all the attacks by gun-control advocates, no one has ever been able to refute Lott’s simple, startling conclusion that more guns mean less crime. Crimes rates vary significantly between the states, with states with such as Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee experiencing much higher crime rates than states such as Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. For reference, Alaska, New Mexico, and Tennessee are not lacking in guns per capita. (New Mexico is in fact 3rd in gun ownership behind Wyoming and D.C.) Some of the world's lowest crime rates are seen in Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Japan, and New Zealand. Each of these countries has very effective law enforcement, and Denmark, Norway, and Japan have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world. So… more guns clearly does not equate to lower crime either globally or nationally. Unless of course you're trying to sell a book, which gullible folks are quite eager to buy and publicize in order to justify their love of guns over reason.
tadfisher 3y ago
Yeah, John Carmack should have been shot when he was breaking and entering his school to steal computers. Think of all his infamous deeds that could have been prevented.

mjfl 3y ago

north eastern gun owning states such as Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are doing just fine. We see Louisiana, Mississippi, and Washington DC as deep purple on this map. Everyone knows what this chart is measuring.

ttfkam 3y ago
Population density? Amount of gerrymandering and voter suppression? Length of time spent in segregation? Amount of annual snowfall? By all means, share with us what YOU think "everyone" knows.