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Unless you go the custom ROM + microG option that 98% of folks would never do… or you embrace the Linux phone OS which has no ‘apps’ (like that banking app that

Unless you go the custom ROM + microG option that 98% of folks would never do… or you embrace the Linux phone OS which has no ‘apps’ (like that banking app that banned you for rooting your other Linux (Android) phone) & the telephony barely works if it even does. This duopoly sucks.

imwillofficial 3y ago
98%? 100% effectively.
soperj 3y ago
I just use my banking website from my phone. Why install apps?
- toastal 3y ago
  My bank is detecting Netscape Navigator 4 & you better bet it’s a horrible experience for small viewports, & generally a buggy experience altogether (scoping other sites in my country, they are all just as bad). This is also presupposing the Google doesn’t get its Web Environment Integrity (WEI) initiative foisted upon us allowing the banks to do the same sketchy attestation that they can do with apps from the browser--meaning they could deny you from running an alternative OS, disabling TPM/Pluton/Secure Boot, to having admin/root access like they block it on phones for dubious reasons.
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  I've seen authentication flows that require you to login, or confirm logins, via the bank's app if you're trying to use the account outside of the app itself.
- hoppyhoppy2 3y ago
  My bank and credit union allow me to deposit checks from my phone via the apps; their websites don't offer that option.
  - soperj 3y ago
    Honestly can't recall the last time I've had to deposit a cheque.
  - toastal 3y ago
    In my country, bank transfers with vendor is usually done via QR code scanning which isn’t supported on the site. The flow for the site would required adding the vendor (even for a one-time transaction) to your bank contact list, manually inputting all of the account numbers/phone/email, then going back & selecting it—something no vendor wants to wait on. If you haven’t done it in 20 minutes, you will be logged out with no cancel logout pop-up & paste has been disabled for … ‘security’?
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I'm not even willing to do that. I physically go to a bank branch to interact with my bank.
  - toastal 3y ago
    Largely this isn’t possible for e-commerce. Some might say it’s just convenience, bun there are a lot of goods only reasonably available online.
orf 3y ago
It’s telling that you think 98% of users wouldn’t do that. It’s 99.9999% of android users my friend.
- toastal 3y ago
  Good to know that extra 1.9999% was worth a comment. It’s pretty similar to the number of desktop Linux users even (edit: which seem to be over 3% now actually, great).
  - orf 3y ago
    1.9999% of android users would form the 19th largest country in the world by population. It’s absolutely worth clarifying a difference of that scale when you’re talking about something niche.
    - toastal 3y ago
      And I want to be a citizen of that country. The Indian custom ROM hackers can be the ruling class with the amount of CPU it takes to build Android & their good will to release it for us.

imwillofficial 3y ago

98%? 100% effectively.

soperj 3y ago

I just use my banking website from my phone. Why install apps?

toastal 3y ago
My bank is detecting Netscape Navigator 4 & you better bet it’s a horrible experience for small viewports, & generally a buggy experience altogether (scoping other sites in my country, they are all just as bad). This is also presupposing the Google doesn’t get its Web Environment Integrity (WEI) initiative foisted upon us allowing the banks to do the same sketchy attestation that they can do with apps from the browser--meaning they could deny you from running an alternative OS, disabling TPM/Pluton/Secure Boot, to having admin/root access like they block it on phones for dubious reasons.
heavyset_go 3y ago
I've seen authentication flows that require you to login, or confirm logins, via the bank's app if you're trying to use the account outside of the app itself.
hoppyhoppy2 3y ago
My bank and credit union allow me to deposit checks from my phone via the apps; their websites don't offer that option.
- soperj 3y ago
  Honestly can't recall the last time I've had to deposit a cheque.
- toastal 3y ago
  In my country, bank transfers with vendor is usually done via QR code scanning which isn’t supported on the site. The flow for the site would required adding the vendor (even for a one-time transaction) to your bank contact list, manually inputting all of the account numbers/phone/email, then going back & selecting it—something no vendor wants to wait on. If you haven’t done it in 20 minutes, you will be logged out with no cancel logout pop-up & paste has been disabled for … ‘security’?
JohnFen 3y ago
I'm not even willing to do that. I physically go to a bank branch to interact with my bank.
- toastal 3y ago
  Largely this isn’t possible for e-commerce. Some might say it’s just convenience, bun there are a lot of goods only reasonably available online.

orf 3y ago

It’s telling that you think 98% of users wouldn’t do that. It’s 99.9999% of android users my friend.

toastal 3y ago
Good to know that extra 1.9999% was worth a comment. It’s pretty similar to the number of desktop Linux users even (edit: which seem to be over 3% now actually, great).
- orf 3y ago
  1.9999% of android users would form the 19th largest country in the world by population. It’s absolutely worth clarifying a difference of that scale when you’re talking about something niche.
  - toastal 3y ago
    And I want to be a citizen of that country. The Indian custom ROM hackers can be the ruling class with the amount of CPU it takes to build Android & their good will to release it for us.