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I always hear of this legion of office lovers but when you ask for actual number splits it ends up perhaps somewhat unsurprisingly being that the vast majority

I always hear of this legion of office lovers but when you ask for actual number splits it ends up perhaps somewhat unsurprisingly being that the vast majority of people want 100% remote. All you office people can go work together then, don’t make it miserable for the rest of us

majormajor 3y ago
> I always hear of this legion of office lovers but when you ask for actual number splits it ends up perhaps somewhat unsurprisingly being that the vast majority of people want 100% remote. All you office people can go work together then, don’t make it miserable for the rest of us A comment like this making claims about what happens when you see actual numbers should link to some actual numbers... Anecdotally, my social circle is increasingly preferring hybrid, which loses one of the most-frequently-touted benefits of remote (make your home wherever you want, even potentially super cheap real estate). IMO remote will likely hang on at bigger, cog-in-assembly-line type information jobs, but some sort of frequent in-person meetups will be hugely valuable for high-ambiguity/collaboration/creative work. For me the difference between "0 days in the office and nobody within a hundred miles" for three years and now "1 day in the office a week" has been huge, productivity-wise.
- likenesstheft 3y ago
  > but some sort of frequent in-person meetups will be hugely valuable for high-ambiguity/collaboration/creative work This is some vanilla scrum master bull shit, this isn’t how products or code get built.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statistics/#:~:text=Sixty%2Dfive%20percent%20of%20workers,opportunities%20from%20in%2Doffice%20work https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statisti.... Note that this is Forbes, who is probably going to be biased towards in office work so the actual numbers from an unbiased source would probably be even more dramatic > For me the difference between "0 days in the office and nobody within a hundred miles" for three years and now "1 day in the office a week" has been huge, productivity-wise Why draw such a false dichotomy here? This doesn’t feel like an argument in good faith. The company I work for does onsites twice a year and gives people optionally the budget to meet in person once a quarter beyond that pretty much anywhere they want. I’ve never felt that I needed more than that to do high impact work
lsmeducation 3y ago
It's because they are straight up lying. Like c'mon, you get your OWN PRIVATE BATHROOM when you work from home. The benefits are so obvious, I wonder if the in-office people are legitimate trolls at times.
- RowanH 3y ago
  Ran a dev team in NZ (which had some brutal lockdowns). I would say it was about 1 in 20 wanted to be at the office. Even to the point of almost twisting our arms on lockdowns to be back in the office. That leaves 19 out of 20 on varying states of happiness being at home. On balance obviously most people prefer to WFH. The ones that didn't : - Lonely - Impossible home environment to work in (noise/kids/distractions/lack of good physical environment) I reckon it would probably even out in the long term to about 9 out of 10 preferring to WFH. [edit - should I add I left ~18 months later to start my own SaaS and love WFH, can't imagine ever paying rent on an office again]
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- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  But but the free coffee! Sometimes there are even doughnuts.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  One reason people like me might prefer working in the office: I don't have a room in my apartment that I can turn into a home office. (Also, in the home I grew up in, I never had a private bathroom, nor did my parents. What kind of luxurious abode do you live in, and why do you assume that everyone has the same living conditions as you?)
  - lsmeducation 3y ago
    Okay, you're on team office, got it. This cardboard box living individual here has such terrible living conditions he longs to breath the air of commercial real estate. Does your bathroom have a stall? No right? If you rent, your apartment comes with a private bathroom. If you have a roommate, at most one other person shares it with you. That's a pretty private bathroom. You ever been on line to use the bathroom before in the office? Do you think its fun to take a shit with 10 other people in the bathroom with you? lol Stick a desk in the corner of your apartment and voila, home office.

majormajor 3y ago

> I always hear of this legion of office lovers but when you ask for actual number splits it ends up perhaps somewhat unsurprisingly being that the vast majority of people want 100% remote. All you office people can go work together then, don’t make it miserable for the rest of us A comment like this making claims about what happens when you see actual numbers should link to some actual numbers... Anecdotally, my social circle is increasingly preferring hybrid, which loses one of the most-frequently-touted benefits of remote (make your home wherever you want, even potentially super cheap real estate). IMO remote will likely hang on at bigger, cog-in-assembly-line type information jobs, but some sort of frequent in-person meetups will be hugely valuable for high-ambiguity/collaboration/creative work. For me the difference between "0 days in the office and nobody within a hundred miles" for three years and now "1 day in the office a week" has been huge, productivity-wise.

likenesstheft 3y ago
> but some sort of frequent in-person meetups will be hugely valuable for high-ambiguity/collaboration/creative work This is some vanilla scrum master bull shit, this isn’t how products or code get built.
SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statistics/#:~:text=Sixty%2Dfive%20percent%20of%20workers,opportunities%20from%20in%2Doffice%20work https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/remote-work-statisti.... Note that this is Forbes, who is probably going to be biased towards in office work so the actual numbers from an unbiased source would probably be even more dramatic > For me the difference between "0 days in the office and nobody within a hundred miles" for three years and now "1 day in the office a week" has been huge, productivity-wise Why draw such a false dichotomy here? This doesn’t feel like an argument in good faith. The company I work for does onsites twice a year and gives people optionally the budget to meet in person once a quarter beyond that pretty much anywhere they want. I’ve never felt that I needed more than that to do high impact work

lsmeducation 3y ago

It's because they are straight up lying. Like c'mon, you get your OWN PRIVATE BATHROOM when you work from home. The benefits are so obvious, I wonder if the in-office people are legitimate trolls at times.

RowanH 3y ago
Ran a dev team in NZ (which had some brutal lockdowns). I would say it was about 1 in 20 wanted to be at the office. Even to the point of almost twisting our arms on lockdowns to be back in the office. That leaves 19 out of 20 on varying states of happiness being at home. On balance obviously most people prefer to WFH. The ones that didn't : - Lonely - Impossible home environment to work in (noise/kids/distractions/lack of good physical environment) I reckon it would probably even out in the long term to about 9 out of 10 preferring to WFH. [edit - should I add I left ~18 months later to start my own SaaS and love WFH, can't imagine ever paying rent on an office again]
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0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
But but the free coffee! Sometimes there are even doughnuts.
jcranmer 3y ago
One reason people like me might prefer working in the office: I don't have a room in my apartment that I can turn into a home office. (Also, in the home I grew up in, I never had a private bathroom, nor did my parents. What kind of luxurious abode do you live in, and why do you assume that everyone has the same living conditions as you?)
- lsmeducation 3y ago
  Okay, you're on team office, got it. This cardboard box living individual here has such terrible living conditions he longs to breath the air of commercial real estate. Does your bathroom have a stall? No right? If you rent, your apartment comes with a private bathroom. If you have a roommate, at most one other person shares it with you. That's a pretty private bathroom. You ever been on line to use the bathroom before in the office? Do you think its fun to take a shit with 10 other people in the bathroom with you? lol Stick a desk in the corner of your apartment and voila, home office.