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My scripts have not opted-in to accepting any terms of use nor have they signed any contracts. [Edit] I should add that nobody has paid me for accessing my sit

My scripts have not opted-in to accepting any terms of use nor have they signed any contracts. [Edit] I should add that nobody has paid me for accessing my site that has a ToS/AUP requiring everyone to pay me 10% of their monthly income.

flutas 3y ago
Hence why you need to sign in to access content from most feeds at least, so that you've agreed to the ToS.
- BitwiseFool 3y ago
  Whenever I visit someone's Twitter profile without being logged in, I see an assortment of years old tweets and nothing current. Do other people experience this too? I assumed that I was being A/B tested with some limited view after the forced login modal stopped appearing.
  - asicsp 3y ago
    Does it happen on all profiles? Perhaps some of them are using features likes pins/highlights to show curated tweets?
    - BitwiseFool 3y ago
      Yes, it happens to all profiles I visit and I can rule out the pins/highlights feature. There's a weatherman in Texas who is a prolific tweeter and his page shows a random assortment of years old retweets (~2015), some tweets from last month, and no current weather forecasts. They don't change between page visits and none of them are in chronological order. What do you see when you visit https://twitter.com/wfaaweather https://twitter.com/wfaaweather ?
      - asicsp 3y ago
        Yeah, it shows some recent tweets mixed with old ones (including 2015)...
    - cma 3y ago
      I'm seeing it too, not pinned/highlighted and different when logged in.
  - duskwuff 3y ago
    > Whenever I visit someone's Twitter profile without being logged in, I see an assortment of years old tweets and nothing current. Do other people experience this too? Yes. Views of logged-out profiles display statuses sorted by most to least likes, rather than chronologically. It's incredibly dumb, and makes many accounts (like government announcement accounts - @NWS et al) useless while logged out.
    - BitwiseFool 3y ago
      What a horrible decision. With this change I get the sense that the user has a dead account, or the page is broken. Definitely not some compelling "top hits" compilation that would make me want to sign up for 'X'. What a disaster.
      - sangnoir 3y ago
        > What a disaster Some people like(d) to compare Musk to Jobs; but when it comes to Product instincts - they couldn't be further apart. Musk is the anti-Steve-Jobs, his ability to make the worst product decisions is preternatural.
  - Fnoord 3y ago
    They changed this a couple of months ago. Twitter is no longer chronological. On top of that Blue get promoted, having more reach. I deleted my Twitter account before all that, all too often I cannot even see Twitter deeplinks anymore.
themagician 3y ago
Might want to fix that.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Why?
mtmail 3y ago
Do the scripts respect the https://twitter.com/robots.txt https://twitter.com/robots.txt ? It contains User-agent: * Disallow: /
- jraph 3y ago
  Hardly legally enforceable, no? robots.txt is nothing more than a gentle request. edit: even Twitter don't really have much faith in those rules: # Every bot that might possibly read and respect this file # ======================================================== User-agent: * Disallow: / "might possibly". lol. Really sounds like "probably won't work but can't hurt, eh?"
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    I love some people “just declare” something legally unenforceable if that thing is not something they like.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    > Hardly legally enforceable, no? Up to the lawyers and the courts. And I can definitely see how it could be interpreted to be a legitimate "bots are not authorized to view this site" directive since robots.txt is a standard which is respected across the industry.
    - jraph 3y ago
      I could write that people wearing yellow pants should not view my website on my website prominently. I sure would hope it would not cut it in courts.
      - doctorpangloss 3y ago
        Why not? If you wrote that on your cake shop’s banner, you’d prevail with more egregious policies.
      - notjoemama 3y ago
ilyt 3y ago
Wrote a TOS that requires sites opting out of scraping to pay you for non-scraped link
deng 3y ago
You don't need to opt-in to terms of services. The service provider can simply refuse to service you if you violate the ToS. Violating ToS is not a crime. However, if you actively try to circumvent this refusal of the service provider, this could very well be a crime, depending on what you are doing.

flutas 3y ago

Hence why you need to sign in to access content from most feeds at least, so that you've agreed to the ToS.

BitwiseFool 3y ago
Whenever I visit someone's Twitter profile without being logged in, I see an assortment of years old tweets and nothing current. Do other people experience this too? I assumed that I was being A/B tested with some limited view after the forced login modal stopped appearing.
- asicsp 3y ago
  Does it happen on all profiles? Perhaps some of them are using features likes pins/highlights to show curated tweets?
  - BitwiseFool 3y ago
    Yes, it happens to all profiles I visit and I can rule out the pins/highlights feature. There's a weatherman in Texas who is a prolific tweeter and his page shows a random assortment of years old retweets (~2015), some tweets from last month, and no current weather forecasts. They don't change between page visits and none of them are in chronological order. What do you see when you visit https://twitter.com/wfaaweather https://twitter.com/wfaaweather ?
    - asicsp 3y ago
      Yeah, it shows some recent tweets mixed with old ones (including 2015)...
  - cma 3y ago
    I'm seeing it too, not pinned/highlighted and different when logged in.
- duskwuff 3y ago
  > Whenever I visit someone's Twitter profile without being logged in, I see an assortment of years old tweets and nothing current. Do other people experience this too? Yes. Views of logged-out profiles display statuses sorted by most to least likes, rather than chronologically. It's incredibly dumb, and makes many accounts (like government announcement accounts - @NWS et al) useless while logged out.
  - BitwiseFool 3y ago
    What a horrible decision. With this change I get the sense that the user has a dead account, or the page is broken. Definitely not some compelling "top hits" compilation that would make me want to sign up for 'X'. What a disaster.
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      > What a disaster Some people like(d) to compare Musk to Jobs; but when it comes to Product instincts - they couldn't be further apart. Musk is the anti-Steve-Jobs, his ability to make the worst product decisions is preternatural.
- Fnoord 3y ago
  They changed this a couple of months ago. Twitter is no longer chronological. On top of that Blue get promoted, having more reach. I deleted my Twitter account before all that, all too often I cannot even see Twitter deeplinks anymore.

themagician 3y ago

Might want to fix that.

meepmorp 3y ago
Why?

mtmail 3y ago

Do the scripts respect the https://twitter.com/robots.txt https://twitter.com/robots.txt ? It contains User-agent: * Disallow: /

jraph 3y ago
Hardly legally enforceable, no? robots.txt is nothing more than a gentle request. edit: even Twitter don't really have much faith in those rules: # Every bot that might possibly read and respect this file # ======================================================== User-agent: * Disallow: / "might possibly". lol. Really sounds like "probably won't work but can't hurt, eh?"
- bayindirh 3y ago
  I love some people “just declare” something legally unenforceable if that thing is not something they like.
- falcolas 3y ago
  > Hardly legally enforceable, no? Up to the lawyers and the courts. And I can definitely see how it could be interpreted to be a legitimate "bots are not authorized to view this site" directive since robots.txt is a standard which is respected across the industry.
  - jraph 3y ago
    I could write that people wearing yellow pants should not view my website on my website prominently. I sure would hope it would not cut it in courts.
    - doctorpangloss 3y ago
      Why not? If you wrote that on your cake shop’s banner, you’d prevail with more egregious policies.
    - notjoemama 3y ago

ilyt 3y ago

Wrote a TOS that requires sites opting out of scraping to pay you for non-scraped link

deng 3y ago

You don't need to opt-in to terms of services. The service provider can simply refuse to service you if you violate the ToS. Violating ToS is not a crime. However, if you actively try to circumvent this refusal of the service provider, this could very well be a crime, depending on what you are doing.