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So your general thesis is that software that tracks errors and problems the software might have, and software that deliberately slows down the machine to make y

So your general thesis is that software that tracks errors and problems the software might have, and software that deliberately slows down the machine to make you buy new hardware A LA Apple is 100% the same thing?

gabereiser 3y ago
I’m saying anything that tracks a user is not good for mankind. Telemetry is increasingly used for nefarious purposes. I have no problem if you want to track your own apps, but you can leave me out of it. You can derive my behavior from my access, my id, and my requests. You do not need to track my clicks, my history, my search phrases, my shopping habits, my location (unless I grant it to you), my cookies… You may not force feed me cookies.
sneak 3y ago
The Apple throttling thing was specifically to extend the life of the device. When a battery is old, if the CPU is not throttled, the device will instantly power off when the draw is too high. Apple was throttling the CPU when the battery was old and could not sustain such power draw peaks in an effort to make the device remain usable for a longer period with a mostly-consumed battery pack. Had they not done so, the device would be unusable sooner. To assert that it is to make you buy new hardware is a factual error.
- gsich 3y ago
  Propaganda. Even if, a user toggle would have worked wonders.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    Which is what ended up being implemented. That was a PR disaster on apple's part, but their motivation was genuinely good. They could have just let the phones power off randomly, like they were 5-6 years old -- android wouldn't even know about them anymore.
    - gsich 3y ago
      Random poweroffs could not happen, not with the current those devices are drawing.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        And what do you think happens when that currency level can’t be drawn from the battery? There literally were many reported cases of random reboots.
- cuddlyogre 3y ago
  A replaceable battery is a better solution.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    They are replaceable. In a service for a low fee after 6 years of usage.
    - cuddlyogre 3y ago
      Paying apple hundreds of dollars to do something the owner of the phone should be able to do while waiting in line at the store is not an acceptable alterative.

gabereiser 3y ago

I’m saying anything that tracks a user is not good for mankind. Telemetry is increasingly used for nefarious purposes. I have no problem if you want to track your own apps, but you can leave me out of it. You can derive my behavior from my access, my id, and my requests. You do not need to track my clicks, my history, my search phrases, my shopping habits, my location (unless I grant it to you), my cookies… You may not force feed me cookies.

sneak 3y ago

The Apple throttling thing was specifically to extend the life of the device. When a battery is old, if the CPU is not throttled, the device will instantly power off when the draw is too high. Apple was throttling the CPU when the battery was old and could not sustain such power draw peaks in an effort to make the device remain usable for a longer period with a mostly-consumed battery pack. Had they not done so, the device would be unusable sooner. To assert that it is to make you buy new hardware is a factual error.

gsich 3y ago
Propaganda. Even if, a user toggle would have worked wonders.
- kaba0 3y ago
  Which is what ended up being implemented. That was a PR disaster on apple's part, but their motivation was genuinely good. They could have just let the phones power off randomly, like they were 5-6 years old -- android wouldn't even know about them anymore.
  - gsich 3y ago
    Random poweroffs could not happen, not with the current those devices are drawing.
    - kaba0 3y ago
      And what do you think happens when that currency level can’t be drawn from the battery? There literally were many reported cases of random reboots.
cuddlyogre 3y ago
A replaceable battery is a better solution.
- kaba0 3y ago
  They are replaceable. In a service for a low fee after 6 years of usage.
  - cuddlyogre 3y ago
    Paying apple hundreds of dollars to do something the owner of the phone should be able to do while waiting in line at the store is not an acceptable alterative.