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> Mozilla ships Firefox with telemetry (aka spyware, given that it operates silently and automatically without consent) enabled by default. So opt out of it. C

> Mozilla ships Firefox with telemetry (aka spyware, given that it operates silently and automatically without consent) enabled by default. So opt out of it. Calling it spyware is inflammatory, and disregards the reality of the world that we exist in. > It's just marketing to make line go up and to the right while Mozilla staff can keep collecting paychecks for being "the good guys". There's a lot of money involved. And makes you sound like a conspiricy theorist. > They also ship closed source DRM in the browser which infringes on software freedoms. If FF didn't have media support I would switch to chrome, immediately. This is speaking as someone who has dogmatically used Firefox for 15 years. Software, such as web browsers don't exist in a perfect world that I wish it did. Instead, we have DRM, we have telemetry. A userbase requires marketing, which requires money. I wish it didn't, but it does.

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Firmwarrior 3y ago
It's hidden. It's spying. It's software. It's spyware.
- dralley 3y ago
  It is neither hidden nor spying. The options are prominent in the settings, and both the source code and the policies around what is collection and explanations of how it is used are public. Moreover there is literally a page ("about:telemetry") where you can see exactly what data is being collected and links to all of the aforementioned resources and more. And the data itself (aggregated) is available for viewing at telemetry.mozilla.org. And they blog about all of this, from how the data is used to how you can see it for yourself to what efforts they make to ensure privacy while doing so. To call it "hidden" is either deliberately ignorant or a lie, I'm not sure which. https://blog.mozilla.org/data/tag/telemetry/ https://blog.mozilla.org/data/tag/telemetry/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Data_Collection https://wiki.mozilla.org/Data_Collection https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/
- taway1237 3y ago
  As a reverse engineer who works with malware most of the time (and my current project is related to a spyware family) I'm annoyed by your incorrect and inflammatory use of the word "spyware". Words have meanings for a reason, and using the strongest possible word to describe something you don't like doesn't make your point stronger.
taway1237 3y ago
100% agree, but I have to add:DRM is not necessary for all media, just a small percentage of sites (like netflix/spotify i guess) use it. I personally never enabled DRM in my firefox.

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Firmwarrior 3y ago

It's hidden. It's spying. It's software. It's spyware.

dralley 3y ago
It is neither hidden nor spying. The options are prominent in the settings, and both the source code and the policies around what is collection and explanations of how it is used are public. Moreover there is literally a page ("about:telemetry") where you can see exactly what data is being collected and links to all of the aforementioned resources and more. And the data itself (aggregated) is available for viewing at telemetry.mozilla.org. And they blog about all of this, from how the data is used to how you can see it for yourself to what efforts they make to ensure privacy while doing so. To call it "hidden" is either deliberately ignorant or a lie, I'm not sure which. https://blog.mozilla.org/data/tag/telemetry/ https://blog.mozilla.org/data/tag/telemetry/ https://wiki.mozilla.org/Data_Collection https://wiki.mozilla.org/Data_Collection https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/faq/
taway1237 3y ago
As a reverse engineer who works with malware most of the time (and my current project is related to a spyware family) I'm annoyed by your incorrect and inflammatory use of the word "spyware". Words have meanings for a reason, and using the strongest possible word to describe something you don't like doesn't make your point stronger.

taway1237 3y ago

100% agree, but I have to add:DRM is not necessary for all media, just a small percentage of sites (like netflix/spotify i guess) use it. I personally never enabled DRM in my firefox.