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>Apple is making a killing with their iPads. You're missing the point. The fact that Android and Windows ARM tablets aren't "making a killing" and not selling

>Apple is making a killing with their iPads. You're missing the point. The fact that Android and Windows ARM tablets aren't "making a killing" and not selling even remotely as good as iPads dealing with an abysmal market share, is not because they don't have M1 chips, but it's their shit SW ecosystem that's been a clusterfuck from day one, angering consumers who expected more than just stretched phone apps and 2 years of SW updates, and the indifference and lack of commitment Google has shown to Android tablet ecosystem over the years. iPads were outselling every other tablets even before they got the M1 chips. In this tablet space it's the available SW ecosystem that sells the HW, not the other way aground. Android tablets could get fictional M3 chips from the future and they still wouldn't outsell iPads because both developers and consumers already got burned by the Android/non-Apple tablet SW experience and decided to stick with Apple.

rbanffy 3y ago
> The fact that Android and Windows ARM tablets aren't "making a killing" and not selling even remotely as good as iPads The whole stack is objectively worse - slower, with inferior software. They are cheaper though, but it doesn't help much when everyone competes in price for what is, essentially, variations of the same product. There is a good reason why there aren't many Windows ARM tablets and laptops - they perform worse than the low-end Intel stuff. The tooling to make software for them is not great, and the channels through which one distributes the software is also a limitation. In laptops, Windows on ARM needs to compete against Windows on x86 and, unless Qualcomm and Microsoft pull a miracle, those machines will remain uncompetitive. And yes: apple made a killing from day one. They always had an excellent software stack and a thriving high-quality, ruthlessly curated app ecosystem, something not even Microsoft can't offer with their own products (Hi, Teams team. I'd like to discuss a couple things).
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  No, it's first and foremost the SW ecosystem that makes the difference between iPad experience and Android tablet experience. Unlike with PCs, nobody cares how fast their tablet CPUs are when making a purchasing decision as most flagship mobile chips in the last 3-5 years from both Apple and Qualcomm, are more than fast enough to provide a smooth experience for what most people do on a tablet: browse the web, watch Netflix, shop on Amazon, read books, emails and social media. But consumers and developers gave up on the Android tablets a long time ago because the ecosystem was an abandoned mess, app quality and variety is meh at best, and the SW update support period is far too short, regardless of how powerful the CPUS in those tablets might be, it's the SW that dictated the purchasing decision and what earned the iPad the monopoly market share.
StillBored 3y ago
The two years of support is probably a QC business decision on windows, the same as its been on android phones and tablets. Why put effort into standardized interfaces when you can force the users to buy new hardware every two years? This has a name, "planned obsolescence".

rbanffy 3y ago

> The fact that Android and Windows ARM tablets aren't "making a killing" and not selling even remotely as good as iPads The whole stack is objectively worse - slower, with inferior software. They are cheaper though, but it doesn't help much when everyone competes in price for what is, essentially, variations of the same product. There is a good reason why there aren't many Windows ARM tablets and laptops - they perform worse than the low-end Intel stuff. The tooling to make software for them is not great, and the channels through which one distributes the software is also a limitation. In laptops, Windows on ARM needs to compete against Windows on x86 and, unless Qualcomm and Microsoft pull a miracle, those machines will remain uncompetitive. And yes: apple made a killing from day one. They always had an excellent software stack and a thriving high-quality, ruthlessly curated app ecosystem, something not even Microsoft can't offer with their own products (Hi, Teams team. I'd like to discuss a couple things).

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
No, it's first and foremost the SW ecosystem that makes the difference between iPad experience and Android tablet experience. Unlike with PCs, nobody cares how fast their tablet CPUs are when making a purchasing decision as most flagship mobile chips in the last 3-5 years from both Apple and Qualcomm, are more than fast enough to provide a smooth experience for what most people do on a tablet: browse the web, watch Netflix, shop on Amazon, read books, emails and social media. But consumers and developers gave up on the Android tablets a long time ago because the ecosystem was an abandoned mess, app quality and variety is meh at best, and the SW update support period is far too short, regardless of how powerful the CPUS in those tablets might be, it's the SW that dictated the purchasing decision and what earned the iPad the monopoly market share.

StillBored 3y ago

The two years of support is probably a QC business decision on windows, the same as its been on android phones and tablets. Why put effort into standardized interfaces when you can force the users to buy new hardware every two years? This has a name, "planned obsolescence".