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You’re encouraging regulation of the iPhone and calling it the free market. You’re confused. Android exists. Other phones exist. Use one of those. No one is tw

You’re encouraging regulation of the iPhone and calling it the free market. You’re confused. Android exists. Other phones exist. Use one of those. No one is twisting your arm. [predictably the communist wing of HN is out on the downvote]

withinboredom 3y ago
Can I take my purchased iphone apps to Android? I can take my purchased Windows games to Mac/Linux, as well as many applications. If they run there, my license works. Until this problem is solved with iOS and Android, this isn't a valid argument.
- salzig 3y ago
  Unless the seller has different licenses for different OS. Something about justifying the investment for that platform.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    I haven’t run into that for nearly 20 years…
    - NLPaep 3y ago
      It’s fairly common with video games, no? Besides Microsoft sharing games on PC and Xbox Microsoft Office does this currently. The Mac version is extra…
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        I'm not paying anything extra to use Mac vs. Windows on my office license... or Visual Studio either. In regards to games on Steam, you don't pay anything extra to play on Windows/Linux/Mac if the game has support for that platform -- haven't since it became a thing almost a decade ago.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  You understand this is a limitation going in. No one forced you to buy the iPhone. You seem to like to unnecessarily use force. You can buy multiple phones that support fdroid and get what you want.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Sounds like we are moving the goal post here. The assertion was “just switch” but now we are saying “choose wisely.”
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      I’m saying no one is forcing you to do anything, you make informed choices going in. If you want to be able to switch phones, only buy ones that support fdroid and the like. Apple doesn’t do that, so don’t get one of those. Maybe you think they should, but you’re a minority on HN and most people are thrilled with their wonder pocket computers.
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        haaha ... because both of these OSes were created at the exact same time? Sure, if I were 18-19 now and making my own choices, maybe that'd be different. Most of these decisions these days are made by parents buying their kids their first phone. They aren't made by adults for themselves. By the time they become an adult, they've probably heavily invested in whatever ecosystem they grew up in. FWIW, I'm not an Apple Fan. I'm just stuck with it.
  - idle_zealot 3y ago
    There are some limitations that companies should not be allowed to place on their products or services, either because they harm the competitiveness of the market or because they violate the customer's rights. There are some rights that you simply are not allowed to sign away.
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
kaba0 3y ago
That’s a grave misunderstanding of capitalism going back all the way to even Adam Smith. You can’t have fair competition without rules, without sane rules you could win the Marathon with an AK47 and a Jeep every time, without any innovation. Also come on, this “vote with your wallet” is just dumb — what are you voting for between literally the two candidates? What if I want a privacy-respecting, but open to customization phone with great hardware - do I buy like 87% iphone and 13% android, or how does that work? Will it somehow magically register my “vote” at Google, and not make them introduce an ever worse privacy feature? The phone OS market has such a hard entry for others that even goddamn Microsoft failed at it, and they did throw a litany of money there. This is as much choice as the US two-party system: you get go vote at the least bad, good for you..
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  They have broken no rules, and have provided great products that customers love to buy. You’re bitching that you want more privacy, when GrapheneOS, Fdroid, Librem, Pinephone, and other alternatives exist. They’re not that well developed because most people just don’t care like you do. “The man” isn’t keeping you down, there’s just not that big of a market for it. And who knows, maybe the Solana phone will take off and be what you’re looking for.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    > They have broken no rules Then maybe the rules are wrong. > You’re bitching that you want more privacy, when GrapheneOS, Fdroid, Librem, Pinephone, and other alternatives exist. All of these "options" come with huge compromises. I'd love to use GrapheneOS, but I also want to continue to be able to pay for things with my phone. That's just one example among many. The point is that I shouldn't have to choose between these options. I should be able to get all of these things, but the market leaders have destroyed the ability of anyone else to be competitive.
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      > Then maybe the rules are wrong > The point is that I shouldn't have to choose between these options This is just entitled conspiracy theorist thinking. We have these amazing devices that are improving all the time and you’ve got these boogeymen “destroying” fdroid, graphene, librem, and all others.
realusername 3y ago
> Android exists. Other phones exist. Use one of those. No one is twisting your arm. There's no competition between Android and iOS either, it's a duopoly. The phone market itself still competes on features, on the software side, the competition is fully dead though.
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  If there was really as much demand for the feature you want, someone would build it. Amazon tried, no one cared. People are happy with their devices.
  - realusername 3y ago
    I'm not even talking about features, nobody can build a competitor to this duopoly either due to strong network effects, even Microsoft failed
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      There are smaller competitors, but people just don’t care. And Android is an open platform, so there’s Graphene etc.
      - kelnos 3y ago
        > And Android is an open platform That is a hugely disingenuous mischaracterization of what Android is. AOSP is nowhere near enough to put together modern phone platform that anyone actually wants. And every year it becomes less and less useful due to Google's actions.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago
        It was enough for Amazon to slap a store on it and launch a competitor. Yawn. No one cared. If people were really that dissatisfied with Google, they’d move. People don’t dare, Google makes a damn good product. You and I both wish for more privacy features, so we can run one of the forks, or the Solana phone. Or maybe we don’t care enough to do that.

withinboredom 3y ago

Can I take my purchased iphone apps to Android? I can take my purchased Windows games to Mac/Linux, as well as many applications. If they run there, my license works. Until this problem is solved with iOS and Android, this isn't a valid argument.

salzig 3y ago
Unless the seller has different licenses for different OS. Something about justifying the investment for that platform.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I haven’t run into that for nearly 20 years…
  - NLPaep 3y ago
    It’s fairly common with video games, no? Besides Microsoft sharing games on PC and Xbox Microsoft Office does this currently. The Mac version is extra…
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      I'm not paying anything extra to use Mac vs. Windows on my office license... or Visual Studio either. In regards to games on Steam, you don't pay anything extra to play on Windows/Linux/Mac if the game has support for that platform -- haven't since it became a thing almost a decade ago.
a-user-you-like 3y ago
You understand this is a limitation going in. No one forced you to buy the iPhone. You seem to like to unnecessarily use force. You can buy multiple phones that support fdroid and get what you want.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  Sounds like we are moving the goal post here. The assertion was “just switch” but now we are saying “choose wisely.”
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    I’m saying no one is forcing you to do anything, you make informed choices going in. If you want to be able to switch phones, only buy ones that support fdroid and the like. Apple doesn’t do that, so don’t get one of those. Maybe you think they should, but you’re a minority on HN and most people are thrilled with their wonder pocket computers.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      haaha ... because both of these OSes were created at the exact same time? Sure, if I were 18-19 now and making my own choices, maybe that'd be different. Most of these decisions these days are made by parents buying their kids their first phone. They aren't made by adults for themselves. By the time they become an adult, they've probably heavily invested in whatever ecosystem they grew up in. FWIW, I'm not an Apple Fan. I'm just stuck with it.
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  There are some limitations that companies should not be allowed to place on their products or services, either because they harm the competitiveness of the market or because they violate the customer's rights. There are some rights that you simply are not allowed to sign away.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago

kaba0 3y ago

That’s a grave misunderstanding of capitalism going back all the way to even Adam Smith. You can’t have fair competition without rules, without sane rules you could win the Marathon with an AK47 and a Jeep every time, without any innovation. Also come on, this “vote with your wallet” is just dumb — what are you voting for between literally the two candidates? What if I want a privacy-respecting, but open to customization phone with great hardware - do I buy like 87% iphone and 13% android, or how does that work? Will it somehow magically register my “vote” at Google, and not make them introduce an ever worse privacy feature? The phone OS market has such a hard entry for others that even goddamn Microsoft failed at it, and they did throw a litany of money there. This is as much choice as the US two-party system: you get go vote at the least bad, good for you..

a-user-you-like 3y ago
They have broken no rules, and have provided great products that customers love to buy. You’re bitching that you want more privacy, when GrapheneOS, Fdroid, Librem, Pinephone, and other alternatives exist. They’re not that well developed because most people just don’t care like you do. “The man” isn’t keeping you down, there’s just not that big of a market for it. And who knows, maybe the Solana phone will take off and be what you’re looking for.
- kelnos 3y ago
  > They have broken no rules Then maybe the rules are wrong. > You’re bitching that you want more privacy, when GrapheneOS, Fdroid, Librem, Pinephone, and other alternatives exist. All of these "options" come with huge compromises. I'd love to use GrapheneOS, but I also want to continue to be able to pay for things with my phone. That's just one example among many. The point is that I shouldn't have to choose between these options. I should be able to get all of these things, but the market leaders have destroyed the ability of anyone else to be competitive.
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    > Then maybe the rules are wrong > The point is that I shouldn't have to choose between these options This is just entitled conspiracy theorist thinking. We have these amazing devices that are improving all the time and you’ve got these boogeymen “destroying” fdroid, graphene, librem, and all others.

realusername 3y ago

> Android exists. Other phones exist. Use one of those. No one is twisting your arm. There's no competition between Android and iOS either, it's a duopoly. The phone market itself still competes on features, on the software side, the competition is fully dead though.

a-user-you-like 3y ago
If there was really as much demand for the feature you want, someone would build it. Amazon tried, no one cared. People are happy with their devices.
- realusername 3y ago
  I'm not even talking about features, nobody can build a competitor to this duopoly either due to strong network effects, even Microsoft failed
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    There are smaller competitors, but people just don’t care. And Android is an open platform, so there’s Graphene etc.
    - kelnos 3y ago
      > And Android is an open platform That is a hugely disingenuous mischaracterization of what Android is. AOSP is nowhere near enough to put together modern phone platform that anyone actually wants. And every year it becomes less and less useful due to Google's actions.
      - a-user-you-like 3y ago
        It was enough for Amazon to slap a store on it and launch a competitor. Yawn. No one cared. If people were really that dissatisfied with Google, they’d move. People don’t dare, Google makes a damn good product. You and I both wish for more privacy features, so we can run one of the forks, or the Solana phone. Or maybe we don’t care enough to do that.