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Psychedelics have anti-additive effects. Common ones like LSD, mushrooms, Ayahuasca have helped many people quit cigarettes, alcohol, and the stronger ones like

Psychedelics have anti-additive effects. Common ones like LSD, mushrooms, Ayahuasca have helped many people quit cigarettes, alcohol, and the stronger ones like Iboga help people get off of meth and opiates. Based on what you’ve said, you would actually support this.

readthenotes1 3y ago
Didn't work that way for 2 out of 2 of my family members. I would be curious what replicated studies have shown your claim though.
- lucasban 3y ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ See the related studies section for additional examples
- kinakomochidayo 3y ago
  > Didn't work that way for 2 out of 2 of my family members. Set & Setting, dosage is important. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286320/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286320/ Personally for me, it helped me quit alcohol, cannabis, and even alleviated my diagnosed ADHD permanently so I quit taking my prescribed stimulant medications. I used it in a therapeutic environment, not with friends or at a party. After numerous Ayahuasca ceremonies, turns out my traumas/upbringing led to the addictions in the first place.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    If these two are the only study and follow up you have no definitive conclusion should be taken (per your second link) >Despite suggestive early findings on the therapeutic use of hallucinogens in the treatment of substance use disorders, rigorous follow up has not been conducted > Although the open-label design does not allow for definitive conclusions regarding the efficacy of psilocybin There’s a huge reproducibility problem in studies like this, and what you’re pushing here has not had multiple rounds of conclusive studies to boot. Basing sweeping policies off of one off “studies” or presenting them as objective fact is a dangerous course of action.
- pengaru 3y ago
  It's a really hard thing to get addicts off drugs when it's their environment that's addicted, and they're not in a position to exit that environment. The same complication prevents obese people from losing weight, even when employing perfectly effective methods given a cooperative environment.
Mizoguchi 3y ago
We already have very good therapies and drugs to successfully treat addiction. The problem is you need to force an addict to seek treatment and once in make sure in completes it, which can takes months and years. This is a monumental task for someone with the resources and caring, supportive family/friends. For someone sick, broke and living alone on the streets is just not possible and psychedelics is not going to change that.
- kinakomochidayo 3y ago
  What I meant is that it could potentially help people who are at high risk of getting into addictions, and depending on that addiction, one that could lead to homelessness. And as far as I know, I don't know any therapies/medications that work over a period of 6-48 hours to stop addictions. I have heard of some meth/opiate addicts who, by some luck or connection, had opportunities to try Iboga/Ibogaine, and some completely overcame it, and some relapsed. I didn't even have any history of doing therapy, but one dose of LSD on my own was enough to completely change my perspective, stop substances, and get me on the path of living healthy. Without it, I probably would've gone down a very dark path few years later; I might not even be alive today.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    I’m not sure there’s anything to backup this short time frame. It worked for you and that’s great, but basing your support for something like legalizing all hallucinogens on anecdotal evidence is not ideal.

readthenotes1 3y ago

Didn't work that way for 2 out of 2 of my family members. I would be curious what replicated studies have shown your claim though.

lucasban 3y ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ See the related studies section for additional examples
kinakomochidayo 3y ago
> Didn't work that way for 2 out of 2 of my family members. Set & Setting, dosage is important. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25586396/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286320/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286320/ Personally for me, it helped me quit alcohol, cannabis, and even alleviated my diagnosed ADHD permanently so I quit taking my prescribed stimulant medications. I used it in a therapeutic environment, not with friends or at a party. After numerous Ayahuasca ceremonies, turns out my traumas/upbringing led to the addictions in the first place.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  If these two are the only study and follow up you have no definitive conclusion should be taken (per your second link) >Despite suggestive early findings on the therapeutic use of hallucinogens in the treatment of substance use disorders, rigorous follow up has not been conducted > Although the open-label design does not allow for definitive conclusions regarding the efficacy of psilocybin There’s a huge reproducibility problem in studies like this, and what you’re pushing here has not had multiple rounds of conclusive studies to boot. Basing sweeping policies off of one off “studies” or presenting them as objective fact is a dangerous course of action.
pengaru 3y ago
It's a really hard thing to get addicts off drugs when it's their environment that's addicted, and they're not in a position to exit that environment. The same complication prevents obese people from losing weight, even when employing perfectly effective methods given a cooperative environment.

Mizoguchi 3y ago

We already have very good therapies and drugs to successfully treat addiction. The problem is you need to force an addict to seek treatment and once in make sure in completes it, which can takes months and years. This is a monumental task for someone with the resources and caring, supportive family/friends. For someone sick, broke and living alone on the streets is just not possible and psychedelics is not going to change that.

kinakomochidayo 3y ago
What I meant is that it could potentially help people who are at high risk of getting into addictions, and depending on that addiction, one that could lead to homelessness. And as far as I know, I don't know any therapies/medications that work over a period of 6-48 hours to stop addictions. I have heard of some meth/opiate addicts who, by some luck or connection, had opportunities to try Iboga/Ibogaine, and some completely overcame it, and some relapsed. I didn't even have any history of doing therapy, but one dose of LSD on my own was enough to completely change my perspective, stop substances, and get me on the path of living healthy. Without it, I probably would've gone down a very dark path few years later; I might not even be alive today.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  I’m not sure there’s anything to backup this short time frame. It worked for you and that’s great, but basing your support for something like legalizing all hallucinogens on anecdotal evidence is not ideal.