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Do you believe that you need special counselling on starting a business due to your struggle with the unique challenges of being a white male? Because that is w

by 9dev 3y ago

Do you believe that you need special counselling on starting a business due to your struggle with the unique challenges of being a white male? Because that is what this is for.

peanutcrisis 3y ago
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- 9dev 3y ago
  No, I didn’t. I don’t recognize those problems being inherent traits of being a white man, which, again, is what this program aims for - training for members of minority groups that face challenges when founding a business due to their ethnicity or gender.
  - confoundcofound 3y ago
    You think those traits are inherent to being a “person of color”?
    - 9dev 3y ago
      No, and I never said that. I mentioned challenges to exist for minorities.
willio58 3y ago
Assuming the grand parent comment is true to their word and they don’t mean it disparagingly, I think we can easily see what they mean. After a quick glance here’s what’s being offered in this program: - 1 year free of apple dev program (laughably little time in my view btw) - seemingly 1 on 1 support with experienced devs to help you build your first app(s) Yes, it’s good that being provided for underrepresented devs. But also, and I think this is what GP comment is asking, why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity? As someone who paid Apple 400$ just to keep my dev license so people around the world could download my free apps while I was super poor in college.. I kinda feel where this person is coming from.
- nxobject 3y ago
  I agree with Apple nickle-and-diming in general – they talk about the "app economy" and the low barrier to entry into the App Store when it's annoyingly not so.
- lijok 3y ago
  > why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity? What GP is misunderstanding is that this isn’t a “here’s how to write good code” programme. This is a “what to do when you get told ‘a woman could never run a successful business’ in a VC meeting” programme.
e-clinton 3y ago
“Due to your struggle” That’s an odd choice of words. Sometimes folks just need access to education on a new topic… don’t know that it’s exclusively due to their “struggle” of being a person of gender X and race Y.
- 9dev 3y ago
  There are lots of opportunities for people that just need access to education already, but people who are not white, nor male, have a harder time taking them. Hence, here’s a program for those people.
Ancapistani 3y ago
That’s not all this program seems to offer. I’d specifically be interested in a way to be able to connect directly with engineers at Apple, and to others who are building things similar to what I’d be building. This program offers that. For what it’s worth, I’d be willing to pay for it. Perhaps even a substantial amount. Maybe a better approach would be to charge like $5k for the program, but have a “scholarship” system in place for these communities. Give them their own space to discuss issues important to them that aren’t relevant to those outside that community even. As it is, I feel like this is creating separate systems for underrepresented groups. Regardless of how those groups are defined, we already know that “separate but equal”… isn’t.

by 9dev 3y ago

Do you believe that you need special counselling on starting a business due to your struggle with the unique challenges of being a white male? Because that is what this is for.

peanutcrisis 3y ago

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9dev 3y ago
No, I didn’t. I don’t recognize those problems being inherent traits of being a white man, which, again, is what this program aims for - training for members of minority groups that face challenges when founding a business due to their ethnicity or gender.
- confoundcofound 3y ago
  You think those traits are inherent to being a “person of color”?
  - 9dev 3y ago
    No, and I never said that. I mentioned challenges to exist for minorities.

willio58 3y ago

Assuming the grand parent comment is true to their word and they don’t mean it disparagingly, I think we can easily see what they mean. After a quick glance here’s what’s being offered in this program: - 1 year free of apple dev program (laughably little time in my view btw) - seemingly 1 on 1 support with experienced devs to help you build your first app(s) Yes, it’s good that being provided for underrepresented devs. But also, and I think this is what GP comment is asking, why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity? As someone who paid Apple 400$ just to keep my dev license so people around the world could download my free apps while I was super poor in college.. I kinda feel where this person is coming from.

nxobject 3y ago
I agree with Apple nickle-and-diming in general – they talk about the "app economy" and the low barrier to entry into the App Store when it's annoyingly not so.
lijok 3y ago
> why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity? What GP is misunderstanding is that this isn’t a “here’s how to write good code” programme. This is a “what to do when you get told ‘a woman could never run a successful business’ in a VC meeting” programme.

e-clinton 3y ago

“Due to your struggle” That’s an odd choice of words. Sometimes folks just need access to education on a new topic… don’t know that it’s exclusively due to their “struggle” of being a person of gender X and race Y.

9dev 3y ago
There are lots of opportunities for people that just need access to education already, but people who are not white, nor male, have a harder time taking them. Hence, here’s a program for those people.

Ancapistani 3y ago

That’s not all this program seems to offer. I’d specifically be interested in a way to be able to connect directly with engineers at Apple, and to others who are building things similar to what I’d be building. This program offers that. For what it’s worth, I’d be willing to pay for it. Perhaps even a substantial amount. Maybe a better approach would be to charge like $5k for the program, but have a “scholarship” system in place for these communities. Give them their own space to discuss issues important to them that aren’t relevant to those outside that community even. As it is, I feel like this is creating separate systems for underrepresented groups. Regardless of how those groups are defined, we already know that “separate but equal”… isn’t.