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What gives bears the right to kill all that salmon? What gives viruses the right to harm little babies! Life isn't fair.
by willcipriano 3y ago
What gives bears the right to kill all that salmon? What gives viruses the right to harm little babies!
Life isn't fair.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoThat seems a poor justification. We are capable of far more introspection than bears or viruses and we should probably make use of those faculties. We shouldn't necessarily feel justified doing something just because it exists in nature.
- allan_s 3y agoThat seems a pretty reasonable one to me and one applied by many tribal culture to feel that we are just part of nature. Applying one's non-universal (even accros its own specy) moral system to other species seems odd to me. Pain is just the evolutionnary response to avoid self-life threatening situation, nothing else. So at most i would say it makes me root for bio-engineered pig without nociceptors.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoWell, we can't apply an animal's moral system. If you did that you could justify torturing cats (have you seen a cat play with a mouse?) or raping animals because they do it to each other. That's why I think we need to consider from our perspective, which is capable of introspection and empathy.
- allan_s 3y agoI think we agree on the premice and we diverge on the conclusion. (Which is fine , by no way i think i'm more right than you) My point of view is my moral system apply to my specy only, i dont see a point on applying to other specy (as i already dont apply 100% of my moral system to other human from different culture for which their moral system contradict some point of mine). And i do as such because applying empathy to pig would have for final conclusion that we should bio engineer pig without pain receptors as its the path that for me minimize change (the genus of domesticated pig still get to exists, their suffering is now out of the question, i still get to eat bacon , my neighbor working in a farm still get a job etc. And science get to progress) and it does not need the modern-man-centric "dying is bad" . So being pragmatic , i think that the current status quo is enough waiting for that.
- willcipriano 3y agoI'd murder a hundred pigs so a single person doesn't have to be hooked up to a dialysis machine for the rest of a short miserable life. Not doing that is the easy path, not the noble one.
- circuit10 3y ago"Other bad things happen so we should do even more bad things"
- circuit10 3y agoI don’t understand how two people downvoted this. Do two people really think that because bad things have happened we should give up on trying to do anything good? That’s worrying
- yungporko 3y agonobody with a brain thinks that, most people just genuinely don't care about the welfare of other living things but get angry at the notion that they aren't good people.