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g42gregory 3y ago
While I sympathize with the sentiment, how would this "sovereignty" for Hawaii look like? As far as I could tell, their economy could not function on its own. Go back to hundreds of years ago with no hospitals, etc? Would population appreciate that? With large military bases present, it's a moot point anyway. If a country of Germany's size is not able to function as a sovereign country, what chances Hawaii has?
- krapp 3y ago
  Maybe, but it shouldn't be up to the colonizers to determine that on their behalf. If sovereignty leaves them an economic wasteland then maybe they could join the US voluntarily, rather than through a coup organized by a cabal of fruit companies.
- gremlinsinc 3y ago
  Something like Indian reservations in America? Still sovereign but still a state?
  - dogma1138 3y ago
    It doesn’t seem that the reservation model works well at least not when it comes to the welfare of its residents.
boeingUH60 3y ago
Hawaii without the backing of the United States will be a poor and corrupt hellhole. They need the US more than the US needs them.
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  Hawaii's problems are mostly self-inflicted. The corrupt and incompetent ruling class encourages all the talk about sovereignty and blaming everything on haoles to prevent anyone from looking too closely at the people that are elected by and for those actually living in Hawaii. Nobody on the mainland can prevent them from reforming their system of taxation which makes it nearly free to be an absentee landowner while putting almost the entire burden on people living and working on the islands. Will they? Don't hold your breath.
  - eli_gottlieb 3y ago
    >Nobody on the mainland can prevent them from reforming their system of taxation which makes it nearly free to be an absentee landowner while putting almost the entire burden on people living and working on the islands. Will they? Don't hold your breath. Nobody on the mainland reforms our equivalently landlord-favoring tax systems!
    - Kon-Peki 3y ago
      If you think its bad on the mainland...
- GenericDev 3y ago
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askin4it 3y ago
Using the term "boomer" means you lost my interest. Also "literally". You and yours ruined an otherwise useful word. Probably forever. Thanks.
- GenericDev 3y ago
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  - askin4it 3y ago
    :)
- krapp 3y ago
  Don't have a cow, man.

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While I sympathize with the sentiment, how would this "sovereignty" for Hawaii look like? As far as I could tell, their economy could not function on its own. Go back to hundreds of years ago with no hospitals, etc? Would population appreciate that? With large military bases present, it's a moot point anyway. If a country of Germany's size is not able to function as a sovereign country, what chances Hawaii has?

krapp 3y ago
Maybe, but it shouldn't be up to the colonizers to determine that on their behalf. If sovereignty leaves them an economic wasteland then maybe they could join the US voluntarily, rather than through a coup organized by a cabal of fruit companies.
gremlinsinc 3y ago
Something like Indian reservations in America? Still sovereign but still a state?
- dogma1138 3y ago
  It doesn’t seem that the reservation model works well at least not when it comes to the welfare of its residents.

boeingUH60 3y ago

Hawaii without the backing of the United States will be a poor and corrupt hellhole. They need the US more than the US needs them.

Kon-Peki 3y ago
Hawaii's problems are mostly self-inflicted. The corrupt and incompetent ruling class encourages all the talk about sovereignty and blaming everything on haoles to prevent anyone from looking too closely at the people that are elected by and for those actually living in Hawaii. Nobody on the mainland can prevent them from reforming their system of taxation which makes it nearly free to be an absentee landowner while putting almost the entire burden on people living and working on the islands. Will they? Don't hold your breath.
- eli_gottlieb 3y ago
  >Nobody on the mainland can prevent them from reforming their system of taxation which makes it nearly free to be an absentee landowner while putting almost the entire burden on people living and working on the islands. Will they? Don't hold your breath. Nobody on the mainland reforms our equivalently landlord-favoring tax systems!
  - Kon-Peki 3y ago
    If you think its bad on the mainland...
GenericDev 3y ago
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askin4it 3y ago

Using the term "boomer" means you lost my interest. Also "literally". You and yours ruined an otherwise useful word. Probably forever. Thanks.

GenericDev 3y ago
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- askin4it 3y ago
  :)
krapp 3y ago
Don't have a cow, man.