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Apple Entrepreneur Camp
- hackly 3y agoIsn’t that a form of affirmative action that the Supreme Court took issue with?
- lijok 3y agoIt most definitely is not.
- Ancapistani 3y agoI feel like I need to preface this question: I’m in no way disparaging this program or interested in started a sociopolitical debate here. Is there a similar program that a white male would qualify for? It looks interesting, but it’s apparently closed to me unless I lie by claiming to be something I’m not.
- mortureb 3y ago[flagged]
- confoundcofound 3y agoYou’re asking a dangerous question. Most behind these initiatives act as if there are “white” people who are also not culturally underrepresented and do not inhabit lower socioeconomic levels. There are black folks who grew up in BelAir and white folks who grew up poor in Appalachia. I say that as a “brown” minority, whose immigrant family were the minority even in their own country, who is apparently supposed to self-identify as Caucasian and would not qualify for this program because I’m not Black or Hispanic or Indigenous. It’s racist.
- nxobject 3y agoWhy do you consider this question dangerous?
- peanutcrisis 3y agoOP risk being misconstrued as being racist. The fact that the original question was asked in the first place really shows how ass-backwards American society has gotten, with reverse racism being rebranded as a virtue, aka "anti-racism".
- nxobject 3y agoTo be honest, reading the OP at face value, I don't even think he we wanted to beg that question. (But I don't want to mind-read – I have a personal bias against mind-reading; I usually interpret things on the literal side is all.)
- paulryanrogers 3y agoRacist only in the most technical sense of the word. It's a matter of portions and percentages. Few people of color are rich, much less born rich, and far below their percentage of the population as a whole.
- peanutcrisis 3y ago[flagged]
- lijok 3y agoNoone’s being discriminated against in this program. This programme is specifically designed to assist people who have hit specific barriers due to their race or gender. I’m sure if you’re being laughed out of VC meetings for being a white man, you can apply and Apple will accept you. But I doubt the’ll have any resources or advice for you given how improbable that scenario is.
- prepend 3y ago> Noone’s being discriminated against in this program Objectively, people are being discriminated against as the program only allows some races and genders. That’s textbook discrimination. I think what your meaning is that the discrimination is intended positively to increase representation as opposed to other discrimination that is intended negatively due to hatred or exploitation.
- lijok 3y agoMaybe my understanding of the definition of “discrimination” is incorrect then. I understood the definition to be “unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people”
- prepend 3y agoPrejudicial means “ harmful to someone or something; detrimental” and this is harmful to individuals discriminated against. I think many, but not all, would find it is unjust as well.
- dangus 3y ago[flagged]
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- confoundcofound 3y agoDid you forget YC was cofounded by Jessica Livingston?
- dangus 3y agoI dunno, seems like Paul Graham gets all the idolization, am I right? The ratio isn’t all that great, CEO and partners are 85% male: https://www.ycombinator.com/people https://www.ycombinator.com/people
- peanutcrisis 3y agoMandatory read http://www.paulgraham.com/jessica.html http://www.paulgraham.com/jessica.html
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- confoundcofound 3y agoAre all of your social circles proportionally composed of genders and races representative of society? If so, why not? If you are so concerned about proportional ratios, why are you not concerned about the many other minorities that are far more underrepresented than Blacks/Hispanics/Indigenous and that are not eligible for this program?
- vineyardmike 3y ago
- 9dev 3y agoDo you believe that you need special counselling on starting a business due to your struggle with the unique challenges of being a white male? Because that is what this is for.
- peanutcrisis 3y ago[flagged]
- 9dev 3y agoNo, I didn’t. I don’t recognize those problems being inherent traits of being a white man, which, again, is what this program aims for - training for members of minority groups that face challenges when founding a business due to their ethnicity or gender.
- confoundcofound 3y agoYou think those traits are inherent to being a “person of color”?
- 9dev 3y agoNo, and I never said that. I mentioned challenges to exist for minorities.
- willio58 3y agoAssuming the grand parent comment is true to their word and they don’t mean it disparagingly, I think we can easily see what they mean. After a quick glance here’s what’s being offered in this program: - 1 year free of apple dev program (laughably little time in my view btw) - seemingly 1 on 1 support with experienced devs to help you build your first app(s) Yes, it’s good that being provided for underrepresented devs. But also, and I think this is what GP comment is asking, why isn’t this offered in a larger capacity? As someone who paid Apple 400$ just to keep my dev license so people around the world could download my free apps while I was super poor in college.. I kinda feel where this person is coming from.
- CharlesW 3y ago> Is there a similar program that a white male would qualify for? You can Google "startup communities" and find thousands. Often, a local startup community (like San Diego's istartupsd.org) will help you find your local programs and events. If your startup scene is nascent or non-existent, start with Meetup and/or start your own monthly event for like-minded people. FWIW, underrepresented attendees can bring a colleague. I see no requirement that the colleague must also be underrepresented.
- graypegg 3y agoSmart name. I think if this was called “Apple Underrepresented Developer Camp” or something, it would be less effective and possibly seem a bit demeaning IMO. This is not about setting up some easy-track for only certain kinds of people. I don’t even think this confers any benefits beyond just a little community and collaboration with a single apple rep for only 1 year? Calling it Entrepreneur Camp reflects better on what I assume is its goal: get more diverse entrepreneurs into Apple’s platforms. There’s many folks out there that would derive value from the confidence boost and community of like-people succeeding. Seems like a good idea to me.
- terrybingus 3y ago[flagged]
- prepend 3y agoI’m interested in how orgs choose which underrepresented groups to target. This program works to improve female, black, indigenous, and Hispanic people. But they don’t target (or allow really) non-binary or lgbt (except trans women are allowed). Or don’t allow Arab/middle-eastern persons. Etc etc. I think it’s cool that an org as large as Apple is working to improve representation but am interested in what criteria are used to specify underrepresented.
- lijok 3y agoDon’t take middle eastern people not being eligible for the programme as Apple refusing to label them underrepresented. They choose which underrepresented groups to target based on the resources they have. If Apple didn’t have any non-binary people qualified to provide counselling, then they can’t offer support to them. Hopefully they source experts externally in the future and expand this offering to more underrepresented groups.
- Nevermark 3y agoI am neurodivergent. Can I come in from the cold? It does seem odd that there are no sessions open to anyone.
- galaxyofdoom 3y ago[dead]