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> Sure, if you really coax it, you can get code or images out that look similar to existing one I'd say it is possible to produce exact data as well. Try "Prov

by lewhoo 3y ago

> Sure, if you really coax it, you can get code or images out that look similar to existing one I'd say it is possible to produce exact data as well. Try "Provide quote from King James' Bible Genesis :1-25" with chatgpt. You'll get a verbatim text. You can get the same with things like Moby Dick, but when I typed "Provide the first five sentences of the book A Game Of Thrones" I got: Certainly! Here are the first five sentences from the book "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin: "We should start back," Gared This content may violate our content policy or terms of use. If you believe this to be in error, please submit your feedback — your input will aid our research in this area. The model is clearly capable of reproducing verbatim data I think.

smoldesu 3y ago
That's part of what made the Google Books ruling so shocking; it considered Google's transformation of "we digitized and indexed these books" to be transformative. If you punch the ASOIAF quote into it, Books will reproduce the text of Game of Thrones that had your query: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22We+should+start+back%2C%22+Gared https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22We+should+start+b... It's still surreal that this is considered Fair Use, and even defended relatively recently (2013). It's hard to say where the ruling will land ultimately, but there seems to be an argument that verbatim reproduction doesn't matter.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  It's likely defended due to being non-commericial and for the public good, as I posted with my link to the Harvard page above. That was for literal copying and pasting so the bar for transformativeness is higher, but with generative AI where it can produce wholly new code/images, I think it will also be deemed fair use.
  - twoodfin 3y ago
    Also, extracting for a new purpose is fair use of long standing, distinct from something like sampling for the same purpose of composing music. Siskel and Ebert didn’t need to pay rights holders to extract from their works for public criticism.
- lewhoo 3y ago
  Yeah. I wasn't so much trying to put weight on that you can get a fragment of copyrighted text, like Google Books also provides, but using the Bible as an example my point is you could technically get the whole thing bit by bit. You can't do that with Game of Thrones likely not because of capability but because of guardrails, because for a machine what's the difference if it's fed a copyrighted text or not.
- saurik 3y ago
  Google Books itself being some kind of fair use transformative work is unrelated to whether you could use the output of a Google Books query as part of a book you yourself have written (and like, clearly you can't).

by lewhoo 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago

That's part of what made the Google Books ruling so shocking; it considered Google's transformation of "we digitized and indexed these books" to be transformative. If you punch the ASOIAF quote into it, Books will reproduce the text of Game of Thrones that had your query: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22We+should+start+back%2C%22+Gared https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22We+should+start+b... It's still surreal that this is considered Fair Use, and even defended relatively recently (2013). It's hard to say where the ruling will land ultimately, but there seems to be an argument that verbatim reproduction doesn't matter.

satvikpendem 3y ago
It's likely defended due to being non-commericial and for the public good, as I posted with my link to the Harvard page above. That was for literal copying and pasting so the bar for transformativeness is higher, but with generative AI where it can produce wholly new code/images, I think it will also be deemed fair use.
- twoodfin 3y ago
  Also, extracting for a new purpose is fair use of long standing, distinct from something like sampling for the same purpose of composing music. Siskel and Ebert didn’t need to pay rights holders to extract from their works for public criticism.
lewhoo 3y ago
Yeah. I wasn't so much trying to put weight on that you can get a fragment of copyrighted text, like Google Books also provides, but using the Bible as an example my point is you could technically get the whole thing bit by bit. You can't do that with Game of Thrones likely not because of capability but because of guardrails, because for a machine what's the difference if it's fed a copyrighted text or not.
saurik 3y ago
Google Books itself being some kind of fair use transformative work is unrelated to whether you could use the output of a Google Books query as part of a book you yourself have written (and like, clearly you can't).