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That has absolutely nothing to do with the number of staff. It is directly related to the ADL’s campaign of convincing advertisers to pull out. It appears there

by vuln 3y ago

That has absolutely nothing to do with the number of staff. It is directly related to the ADL’s campaign of convincing advertisers to pull out. It appears there will be a lawsuit. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsuit/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/05/tech/elon-musk-adl-lawsui...

mrguyorama 3y ago
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callalex 3y ago
Just because Musk says something doesn’t make it true. In fact it usually means the opposite.
- vuln 3y ago
  What about the ADL itself? Here’s their call to action against Facebook. Why wouldn’t they go after twitter… Oh wait they did barely one month after acquisition. https://www.adl.org/resources/letter/open-letter-companies-advertise-facebook https://www.adl.org/resources/letter/open-letter-companies-a... https://theweek.com/controversies/1018137/one-month-after-its-ceo-praised-elon-musks-twitter-buyout-the-anti-defamation?amp https://theweek.com/controversies/1018137/one-month-after-it... https://forward.com/news/556095/adl-twitter-advertising-boycott/?amp=1 https://forward.com/news/556095/adl-twitter-advertising-boyc...
  - callalex 3y ago
    Sorry, I should have been less brief. I don’t deny that the ADL has been campaigning against xitter, I just hold extreme doubt that they are the main reason xitter lost half of its ad revenue. I think that is more likely caused by other factors.
    - vuln 3y ago
      Do you have insider knowledge of the _other factors_ you _think_ is more likely the cause of revenue loss? Isn’t almost all of twitters revenue pre paid blue check, advertising? Where else are they generating income? Wasn’t twitter losing money before? Has twitter ever been profitable? I’ve linked to proof of boycotts and the ADLs position in convincing advertisers to drop twitter due to the ADLs “research.” You provide nothing other than you opinion or assumption presented as fact. I digress, you can believe whatever you want to.
      - boeingUH60 3y ago
        The ADL is not powerful enough to cause a 50% drop in Twitter revenue…most businesses don’t care about what they say. The reason for the drop is Musk’s erratic behavior. Advertisers paused or halted their spending entirely because Musk is known for making on-the-fly decisions, and businesses don’t want to get caught up in his latest antics.
        vuln 3y ago
        Cool show your proof. Thanks. Anything else is just your opinion presented as fact.
        callalex 3y ago
        What kind of proof would be sufficient to you for the claim “Elon Musk makes erratic and unpredictable decisions with his businesses”? Would a list of previous erratic decisions sway your mind?
        dghlsakjg 3y ago
        Your “proof” is that Mr. Musk says so. There is no proof outside of Musk’s statements that revenue has dropped since X no longer makes public their finances, and there is no proof that anything the ADL has done rises to legally actionable defamation. They have certainly mounted a boycott campaign, but that is not proof of defamation. Myriad other organizations have also called for boycotts. It is curious to me that you are so personally focused on the one boycott that Mr. Musk cited as the sole cause of the revenue drop. I did link in another post a peer reviewed study from a third party showing that hate speech has measurably risen since Mr Musk’s takeover. There certainly is a lot of correlation here, but all of us, including you, are speculating on the causality. You are leaning heavily on the statements of a single man who has a proven track record of being incorrect, to put it gently. We are leaning on a variety of other heuristics that can be summed up as “A known bullshiter has said something that sounds like bullshit, and makes no sense to our understanding and experience of the world.”
supertimor 3y ago
I mean, Elon is also blaming the CCDH for his loss in advertising. He’s not exactly an unbiased source here. Just because he says it, doesn’t make it true.
- deleted 3y ago
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- vuln 3y ago
  Do you have any sources or insider knowledge that you can present that would put Elon himself on the hook for loss in advertising? I’ve replied to multiple comments citing ADL CCDH and others actively seeking to sway advertisers away from twitter using “research.” Instead of presenting a counter argument with facts or data to back it up you resort to calling Elon a liar. It obviously shows your bias. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    elmu is a liar, thus him and his word simply can't be trusted do you have any reliable sources or insider knowledge that you can present that would prove true these unreliable, unconvincing claims of an infamous liar?
    - vuln 3y ago
      > unreliable, unconvincing claims of an infamous liar Again that’s you opinion. How long has it been since you stopped beating your partner?
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        it is actually a fact as determined by a court of law but your opinion that he is not is cute I imagine such silly, reality-denying opinions accompany the same derangement that drives a very small, very loud minority of people to shriek hate and "hate!" at everyone who points out that elmu is a notorious liar

by vuln 3y ago

mrguyorama 3y ago

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callalex 3y ago

Just because Musk says something doesn’t make it true. In fact it usually means the opposite.

vuln 3y ago
What about the ADL itself? Here’s their call to action against Facebook. Why wouldn’t they go after twitter… Oh wait they did barely one month after acquisition. https://www.adl.org/resources/letter/open-letter-companies-advertise-facebook https://www.adl.org/resources/letter/open-letter-companies-a... https://theweek.com/controversies/1018137/one-month-after-its-ceo-praised-elon-musks-twitter-buyout-the-anti-defamation?amp https://theweek.com/controversies/1018137/one-month-after-it... https://forward.com/news/556095/adl-twitter-advertising-boycott/?amp=1 https://forward.com/news/556095/adl-twitter-advertising-boyc...
- callalex 3y ago
  Sorry, I should have been less brief. I don’t deny that the ADL has been campaigning against xitter, I just hold extreme doubt that they are the main reason xitter lost half of its ad revenue. I think that is more likely caused by other factors.
  - vuln 3y ago
    Do you have insider knowledge of the _other factors_ you _think_ is more likely the cause of revenue loss? Isn’t almost all of twitters revenue pre paid blue check, advertising? Where else are they generating income? Wasn’t twitter losing money before? Has twitter ever been profitable? I’ve linked to proof of boycotts and the ADLs position in convincing advertisers to drop twitter due to the ADLs “research.” You provide nothing other than you opinion or assumption presented as fact. I digress, you can believe whatever you want to.
    - boeingUH60 3y ago
      The ADL is not powerful enough to cause a 50% drop in Twitter revenue…most businesses don’t care about what they say. The reason for the drop is Musk’s erratic behavior. Advertisers paused or halted their spending entirely because Musk is known for making on-the-fly decisions, and businesses don’t want to get caught up in his latest antics.
      - vuln 3y ago
        Cool show your proof. Thanks. Anything else is just your opinion presented as fact.
        callalex 3y ago
        What kind of proof would be sufficient to you for the claim “Elon Musk makes erratic and unpredictable decisions with his businesses”? Would a list of previous erratic decisions sway your mind?
        dghlsakjg 3y ago
        Your “proof” is that Mr. Musk says so. There is no proof outside of Musk’s statements that revenue has dropped since X no longer makes public their finances, and there is no proof that anything the ADL has done rises to legally actionable defamation. They have certainly mounted a boycott campaign, but that is not proof of defamation. Myriad other organizations have also called for boycotts. It is curious to me that you are so personally focused on the one boycott that Mr. Musk cited as the sole cause of the revenue drop. I did link in another post a peer reviewed study from a third party showing that hate speech has measurably risen since Mr Musk’s takeover. There certainly is a lot of correlation here, but all of us, including you, are speculating on the causality. You are leaning heavily on the statements of a single man who has a proven track record of being incorrect, to put it gently. We are leaning on a variety of other heuristics that can be summed up as “A known bullshiter has said something that sounds like bullshit, and makes no sense to our understanding and experience of the world.”

supertimor 3y ago

I mean, Elon is also blaming the CCDH for his loss in advertising. He’s not exactly an unbiased source here. Just because he says it, doesn’t make it true.

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vuln 3y ago
Do you have any sources or insider knowledge that you can present that would put Elon himself on the hook for loss in advertising? I’ve replied to multiple comments citing ADL CCDH and others actively seeking to sway advertisers away from twitter using “research.” Instead of presenting a counter argument with facts or data to back it up you resort to calling Elon a liar. It obviously shows your bias. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  elmu is a liar, thus him and his word simply can't be trusted do you have any reliable sources or insider knowledge that you can present that would prove true these unreliable, unconvincing claims of an infamous liar?
  - vuln 3y ago
    > unreliable, unconvincing claims of an infamous liar Again that’s you opinion. How long has it been since you stopped beating your partner?
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      it is actually a fact as determined by a court of law but your opinion that he is not is cute I imagine such silly, reality-denying opinions accompany the same derangement that drives a very small, very loud minority of people to shriek hate and "hate!" at everyone who points out that elmu is a notorious liar