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We could instead assume that you are either very ignorant or just talking crap.

talldatethrow 3y ago
Sure you could. At that point you should just give up entirely on talking to people if you think I'm lying about the experience of my cabinet maker father.
- eesmith 3y ago
  You could be telling the truth as far as you know. Did your father tell you everything? That's a simple way to resolve this impasse - point to a job ad for a cabinet maker offering $60K/year for someone with no "real wood working experience beyond building a small sailboat". [1] You know an employer right now who is looking for people. Can you point to a help-wanted ad for that company showing what they are looking for? I did a job search and found a $66K/year Cabinet Maker I job in Hawaii (which is one of the best paying places for cabinet workers according to the BLS tables you don't trust), for the state Department of Education. However, it requires apprentice training or 4 years of carpentry experience. https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Cabinet+maker&l=Hawaii https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Cabinet+maker&l=Hawaii From the same site, in Hawaii, there's an offer for on-the-job training, starting at $17/hour, so about $35K/year + overtime. Otherwise there are cabinet maker jobs in Hawaii in the $20-$25/hour range and require a few years of experience. The same holds for elsewhere in the US. I did find that CalTech is looking for "a Journeyperson level contributor in carpentry and cabinet making" at https://phf.tbe.taleo.net/phf03/ats/careers/v2/viewRequisition?org=CALTECH&cws=37&rid=8987 https://phf.tbe.taleo.net/phf03/ats/careers/v2/viewRequisiti... and they pay $29.75 - $43.75 Per Hour, but require "Completion of apprenticeship or equivalent training, one year or more of journeyperson level experience and five or more year’s total experience in cabinet and/or carpentry trades" Furthermore, that person "will apply journeyperson level skills in providing building maintenance, laboratory installations and rehabilitation projects. This person will also apply cabinet making skills to the layout, fabrication, and installation of new and rehabilitation projects" and must be able to weld, and they would like someone with at least 5 years of work experience in a university or facilities setting and CNC machining certification. So yes, "approach $100k for dependable people that known the field" is possible. But that's someone with years of experience, and for something far beyond the basic skills your father had. Certainly not something a stock clerk could easily retrain to do, as you complained about at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37397458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37397458 . [1] What kinds of sailboat? A dugout canoe with a pole sticking in it? A small sailboat like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie#First_solo_voyage_across_the_Pacific https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie#First_solo_voyag... requires advanced carpentry skills - Kenichi Horie paid someone else to build it.

Sure you could. At that point you should just give up entirely on talking to people if you think I'm lying about the experience of my cabinet maker father.

eesmith 3y ago
You could be telling the truth as far as you know. Did your father tell you everything? That's a simple way to resolve this impasse - point to a job ad for a cabinet maker offering $60K/year for someone with no "real wood working experience beyond building a small sailboat". [1] You know an employer right now who is looking for people. Can you point to a help-wanted ad for that company showing what they are looking for? I did a job search and found a $66K/year Cabinet Maker I job in Hawaii (which is one of the best paying places for cabinet workers according to the BLS tables you don't trust), for the state Department of Education. However, it requires apprentice training or 4 years of carpentry experience. https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Cabinet+maker&l=Hawaii https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Cabinet+maker&l=Hawaii From the same site, in Hawaii, there's an offer for on-the-job training, starting at $17/hour, so about $35K/year + overtime. Otherwise there are cabinet maker jobs in Hawaii in the $20-$25/hour range and require a few years of experience. The same holds for elsewhere in the US. I did find that CalTech is looking for "a Journeyperson level contributor in carpentry and cabinet making" at https://phf.tbe.taleo.net/phf03/ats/careers/v2/viewRequisition?org=CALTECH&cws=37&rid=8987 https://phf.tbe.taleo.net/phf03/ats/careers/v2/viewRequisiti... and they pay $29.75 - $43.75 Per Hour, but require "Completion of apprenticeship or equivalent training, one year or more of journeyperson level experience and five or more year’s total experience in cabinet and/or carpentry trades" Furthermore, that person "will apply journeyperson level skills in providing building maintenance, laboratory installations and rehabilitation projects. This person will also apply cabinet making skills to the layout, fabrication, and installation of new and rehabilitation projects" and must be able to weld, and they would like someone with at least 5 years of work experience in a university or facilities setting and CNC machining certification. So yes, "approach $100k for dependable people that known the field" is possible. But that's someone with years of experience, and for something far beyond the basic skills your father had. Certainly not something a stock clerk could easily retrain to do, as you complained about at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37397458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37397458 . [1] What kinds of sailboat? A dugout canoe with a pole sticking in it? A small sailboat like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie#First_solo_voyage_across_the_Pacific https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie#First_solo_voyag... requires advanced carpentry skills - Kenichi Horie paid someone else to build it.