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So we are still fighting over a desktop windowing system and reviving the Xorg vs Wayland battle. Meanwhile the winners are the users who chose not to play thi

by rvz 3y ago

So we are still fighting over a desktop windowing system and reviving the Xorg vs Wayland battle. Meanwhile the winners are the users who chose not to play this game with their machines or rant about how a basic app does not run on Wayland and runs on Xorg or vice versa and instead use either a Mac or Windows machine with standard defaults. If you're app glitches on either windowing system and you continue to rant because you need to tweak the dotfiles, systemd services or dive into config files, then you might as well use WSL2 instead. At least Windows has a much more pleasant desktop environment.

sprash 3y ago
You are absolutely correct. This is why it is absolutely reasonable to assume that Wayland is actually a sabotage project. X11 was far ahead of anything out there when we had compiz with spinning desktop cubes and wobbly windows running absolutely smooth even with the most basic GPU in 2006(!). Something had to be done about that.
- Avamander 3y ago
  Sabotage project? X was "smooth" in 2006, it hasn't moved along. Mixed framerates and resolutions are horrid to use. Performance issues appear with just one 4K screen. High-framerate, FreeSync or high bit depth displays are basically a waste with X. The only thing X (and KDE) seems to have gotten right is mixed (and fractional) scaling, Windows can't do even decimal scaling properly within just the core UI.
thomastjeffery 3y ago
Xorg has worked fine for me since I started using it in 2008. The only problem I ever had was the poorly packaged proprietary ATI/AMD driver, and now we have AMDGPU. I just set my refresh rate and enable TearFree (via xrandr), and I'm set. --- Windows is the desktop that constantly interrupts my life by either breaking or running straight-up malware. And then it gives me pointless notifications I'm not allowed to disable (group policy) and bullshit ads I would never ask for. If you really believe the Windows desktop is pleasant, you must be really easy to please, and really difficult to annoy.
bitsandboots 3y ago
> a basic app does not run on Wayland and runs on Xorg or vice versa Can you even give an example of the vice versa case? I've never not had things work in X, so your idea about going over to 2 user-hostile OSs to solve a non-issue doesn't resonate with me. > At least Windows has a much more pleasant desktop environment. Boy oh boy, that's not what people are saying after using windows 11. The entire reason to be on linux for me is to recreate & extend the best of what windows UX was, but windows UX is past its glory days and into active sabotage.

by rvz 3y ago

sprash 3y ago

You are absolutely correct. This is why it is absolutely reasonable to assume that Wayland is actually a sabotage project. X11 was far ahead of anything out there when we had compiz with spinning desktop cubes and wobbly windows running absolutely smooth even with the most basic GPU in 2006(!). Something had to be done about that.

Avamander 3y ago
Sabotage project? X was "smooth" in 2006, it hasn't moved along. Mixed framerates and resolutions are horrid to use. Performance issues appear with just one 4K screen. High-framerate, FreeSync or high bit depth displays are basically a waste with X. The only thing X (and KDE) seems to have gotten right is mixed (and fractional) scaling, Windows can't do even decimal scaling properly within just the core UI.

thomastjeffery 3y ago

Xorg has worked fine for me since I started using it in 2008. The only problem I ever had was the poorly packaged proprietary ATI/AMD driver, and now we have AMDGPU. I just set my refresh rate and enable TearFree (via xrandr), and I'm set. --- Windows is the desktop that constantly interrupts my life by either breaking or running straight-up malware. And then it gives me pointless notifications I'm not allowed to disable (group policy) and bullshit ads I would never ask for. If you really believe the Windows desktop is pleasant, you must be really easy to please, and really difficult to annoy.

bitsandboots 3y ago

> a basic app does not run on Wayland and runs on Xorg or vice versa Can you even give an example of the vice versa case? I've never not had things work in X, so your idea about going over to 2 user-hostile OSs to solve a non-issue doesn't resonate with me. > At least Windows has a much more pleasant desktop environment. Boy oh boy, that's not what people are saying after using windows 11. The entire reason to be on linux for me is to recreate & extend the best of what windows UX was, but windows UX is past its glory days and into active sabotage.