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Tried Wayland, has horrible fractional scaling support (Not that X11 is much better) and went back to Windows. If the Linux guys still can't make high-dpi displ

Tried Wayland, has horrible fractional scaling support (Not that X11 is much better) and went back to Windows. If the Linux guys still can't make high-dpi displays work after them being the norm for 10 years I'm not sure it will ever happen.

deafpolygon 3y ago
Pretty much my experience. WSL2 has my Linux itch covered, and I can create multiple VMs easily (for different distro).
Avamander 3y ago
It's not like Windows can handle even decimal scaling. It's trivial to stumble upon horribly scaled text, even in Microsoft's own software (try opening the event log or group policy editor with scaling not being 100%). Both macOS and Linux (X and Wayland both, actually) do scaling nicer on average.
- askonomm 3y ago
  Really? As soon as I turned on fractional scaling on Wayland, Chrome & Electron apps became blurry looking to the point of being unusable. Actually, a lot of apps I'm used to using were unusably blurry and horrible looking (like Jetbrains products). Maybe Windows doesn't handle decimal scaling, but at least most everything looks and works fine. You have to look really deep to find stuff that doesn't work (like event log or group policy editor, leftovers from a bygone era Windows, things I don't use day to day, and I'm sure nobody uses them every day). As it is now, as a developer, using a browser and Jetbrains IDE or VS Code, Wayland is completely unusable and makes the whole Linux space feel more like a toy than a professional tool. So I don't know what decimal scaling you're talking about when Wayland can't even do 125% or 150% scaling without half the app ecosystem breaking.
  - Avamander 3y ago
    > Maybe Windows doesn't handle decimal scaling, but at least most everything looks and works fine. It doesn't handle even decimal I don't dare try fractional. I guess our standards differ, it's not fine. > You have to look really deep to find stuff that doesn't work (like event log or group policy editor, leftovers from a bygone era Windows, things I don't use day to day, and I'm sure nobody uses them every day) It really doesn't take much to stumble upon things like that when you use Windows on a daily basis. I wouldn't call system menus "leftovers from a bygone era". If you restrict yourself to only the parts of UI that mostly scale well, of course then scaling works well. But that's silly. > As it is now, as a developer, using a browser and Jetbrains IDE or VS Code, Wayland is completely unusable and makes the whole Linux space feel more like a toy than a professional tool. Neither JB IDEs or VS Code are native Wayland applications. Though I can't say I've had issue with JetBrains' software under Wayland's scaling.

deafpolygon 3y ago

Pretty much my experience. WSL2 has my Linux itch covered, and I can create multiple VMs easily (for different distro).

Avamander 3y ago

It's not like Windows can handle even decimal scaling. It's trivial to stumble upon horribly scaled text, even in Microsoft's own software (try opening the event log or group policy editor with scaling not being 100%). Both macOS and Linux (X and Wayland both, actually) do scaling nicer on average.

askonomm 3y ago
Really? As soon as I turned on fractional scaling on Wayland, Chrome & Electron apps became blurry looking to the point of being unusable. Actually, a lot of apps I'm used to using were unusably blurry and horrible looking (like Jetbrains products). Maybe Windows doesn't handle decimal scaling, but at least most everything looks and works fine. You have to look really deep to find stuff that doesn't work (like event log or group policy editor, leftovers from a bygone era Windows, things I don't use day to day, and I'm sure nobody uses them every day). As it is now, as a developer, using a browser and Jetbrains IDE or VS Code, Wayland is completely unusable and makes the whole Linux space feel more like a toy than a professional tool. So I don't know what decimal scaling you're talking about when Wayland can't even do 125% or 150% scaling without half the app ecosystem breaking.
- Avamander 3y ago
  > Maybe Windows doesn't handle decimal scaling, but at least most everything looks and works fine. It doesn't handle even decimal I don't dare try fractional. I guess our standards differ, it's not fine. > You have to look really deep to find stuff that doesn't work (like event log or group policy editor, leftovers from a bygone era Windows, things I don't use day to day, and I'm sure nobody uses them every day) It really doesn't take much to stumble upon things like that when you use Windows on a daily basis. I wouldn't call system menus "leftovers from a bygone era". If you restrict yourself to only the parts of UI that mostly scale well, of course then scaling works well. But that's silly. > As it is now, as a developer, using a browser and Jetbrains IDE or VS Code, Wayland is completely unusable and makes the whole Linux space feel more like a toy than a professional tool. Neither JB IDEs or VS Code are native Wayland applications. Though I can't say I've had issue with JetBrains' software under Wayland's scaling.