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And yet in the article they reference their Discord channel and Twitter sigh

by caskstrength 3y ago

vinceguidry 3y ago
Can't reinvent everything all at once lol.
- toastal 3y ago
  There’s not much to reinvent. They could have setup & hosted an XMPP server with MUCs & microblogged posts on whatever ActivityPub option they chose (or similar softwares).
  - vinceguidry 3y ago
    The point isn't to go back to the 90s, it's to bring the 90s into today.
    - caskstrength 3y ago
      How is creating a Mastodon account equates to "going back to the 90s"?
      - dagw 3y ago
        Instead of there being one central authority where you create your "Mastodon account" that is responsible for authentication and deciding who gets to view and post what, there are thousands of independent 'authorities' each deciding who they want to let on and how they want to do things and what subset of Mastodon they want their users to see. Much like Usenet and IRC
    - toastal 3y ago
      Modern XEPs have brought XMPP to today. ActivityPub is fairly new too.
freediver 3y ago
Rooting for small web does not mean one needs to be against other technology. For example Kagi uses Google and even hosts on GCP - I think Google's technology and people are great, it is just the business model that is rotten and contributes to the deterioration of the web. And interestingly enough, at least Discord (and to some extent Twitter) are trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat (although admittedly I did cancel my Twitter subscription as unexplainably they still showed ads even when subscribing - you can't sit on two chairs).
- pavlov 3y ago
  > “trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat” Twitter isn’t really trying to do that. It’s just something the owner likes to claim, but what he’s actually done is the opposite: - Hired a CEO from the ad world - Increased personal data collection (with updated Terms of Service to reflect that) - Limited tweet access without login (those views would be harder to target with ads) As a Tesla customer I’m fed up with this person’s endless lies. Seems like you got a taste of it with your Twitter subscription too.
- ploum 3y ago
  Are you on Mastodon or on the fediverse btw? Any plan for Kagi to have an account there? (not really required, I don’t think that companies should necessarly be on social networks, that’s mostly a waste of time)
  - ploum 3y ago
    Discussion started here : https://mamot.fr/@ploum/111028702144600436 https://mamot.fr/@ploum/111028702144600436
toastal 3y ago
They also mentioned their Microsoft GitHub forge to file issues. They really want you to create proprietary accounts to interact with them. You’d think a small web initiative would be led with small, decentralized/federated, libre software choices.
- judas44 3y ago
  They use a flarum instance for feedback: https://kagifeedback.org/ https://kagifeedback.org/

And yet in the article they reference their Discord channel and Twitter sigh

vinceguidry 3y ago

Can't reinvent everything all at once lol.

toastal 3y ago
There’s not much to reinvent. They could have setup & hosted an XMPP server with MUCs & microblogged posts on whatever ActivityPub option they chose (or similar softwares).
- vinceguidry 3y ago
  The point isn't to go back to the 90s, it's to bring the 90s into today.
  - caskstrength 3y ago
    How is creating a Mastodon account equates to "going back to the 90s"?
    - dagw 3y ago
      Instead of there being one central authority where you create your "Mastodon account" that is responsible for authentication and deciding who gets to view and post what, there are thousands of independent 'authorities' each deciding who they want to let on and how they want to do things and what subset of Mastodon they want their users to see. Much like Usenet and IRC
  - toastal 3y ago
    Modern XEPs have brought XMPP to today. ActivityPub is fairly new too.

freediver 3y ago

Rooting for small web does not mean one needs to be against other technology. For example Kagi uses Google and even hosts on GCP - I think Google's technology and people are great, it is just the business model that is rotten and contributes to the deterioration of the web. And interestingly enough, at least Discord (and to some extent Twitter) are trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat (although admittedly I did cancel my Twitter subscription as unexplainably they still showed ads even when subscribing - you can't sit on two chairs).

pavlov 3y ago
> “trying to have a business model that does not put more ads down your throat” Twitter isn’t really trying to do that. It’s just something the owner likes to claim, but what he’s actually done is the opposite: - Hired a CEO from the ad world - Increased personal data collection (with updated Terms of Service to reflect that) - Limited tweet access without login (those views would be harder to target with ads) As a Tesla customer I’m fed up with this person’s endless lies. Seems like you got a taste of it with your Twitter subscription too.
ploum 3y ago
Are you on Mastodon or on the fediverse btw? Any plan for Kagi to have an account there? (not really required, I don’t think that companies should necessarly be on social networks, that’s mostly a waste of time)
- ploum 3y ago
  Discussion started here : https://mamot.fr/@ploum/111028702144600436 https://mamot.fr/@ploum/111028702144600436

toastal 3y ago

They also mentioned their Microsoft GitHub forge to file issues. They really want you to create proprietary accounts to interact with them. You’d think a small web initiative would be led with small, decentralized/federated, libre software choices.

judas44 3y ago
They use a flarum instance for feedback: https://kagifeedback.org/ https://kagifeedback.org/