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> The ones I found also have a discrete GPU which defeats the point. Having a low power draw, thin and light laptop that can also run fairly recent AAA games -

> The ones I found also have a discrete GPU which defeats the point. Having a low power draw, thin and light laptop that can also run fairly recent AAA games - amazing! So, disable it? Most Zen4 laptops I've seen so far still fit the general thin and light category (albeit, at 15" vs 11-13") and is paired with a mid-range Radeon or GeForce (usually 4060/4070). Buy the laptop and put it in Eco mode in Windows (doesn't multiplex with discrete) or disable it in bios. The Framework comes with a Zen4 cpu. It's thin and light and the GPU can be disabled: https://youtu.be/L9Ww_7wwNkM?si=Zke0hCcubnwEl6oe https://youtu.be/L9Ww_7wwNkM?si=Zke0hCcubnwEl6oe As someone who owns an AMD laptop (with Radeon discrete), I should point out that AMD's muxing algorithm is pretty conservative, unless you put it into performance mode. Video playback, basic GL/VK/DX operations, desktop usage/web browsing, etc sticks to the integrated GPU. I've only seen the discrete kick in once obvious heavy 3d operations were running (video games, benchmarks, 3d modeling, etc).

circuit10 3y ago
That only helps with the power draw, not thinness, weight or cost
- deaddodo 3y ago
  Which is specifically why I address thinness and weight independent of the disablement. You could read passed the first sentence next time. As to cost, AMD generally bundles their GPU/CPUs so you aren't saving much by removing it. Certainly not anything the manufacturer is going to pass on to you, at least.
  - circuit10 3y ago
    It might be thin and light enough for you but I’m guessing it could be thinner or lighter Can they really provide a whole dedicated GPU, the extra circuitry on the motherboard to support it, a whole other cooling system, more powerful power delivery and the battery size to compensate all without costing any extra money or weight?
    - deaddodo 3y ago
      You vastly overestimate the TDP of a midrange laptop GPU. And/or don't understand general cooling infrastructure in modern laptops. As to the size, what is even the point of arguing. Just go look at the specs yourself and decide if it's thin and light enough. I gave an option that the majority would consider so. If it's not for you, fine. Find something else or accept it doesn't exist. You can keep moving the goalposts infinitely for someone who needs a hypothetically thinner and lighter laptop, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
      - circuit10 3y ago
        I looked up the TDP of some laptop GPUs and they're all over 35W. The maximum TDP of the CPU the commenter was talking about, which has good integrated graphics, is 30W. The TDP of the mobile 4070 you mentioned is 115W(!) > If it's not for you, fine. Find something else or accept it doesn't exist. You seemed to be very dismissive of the person you were replying to, implying that it's not an issue at all because you can just disable it. I'm pointing out that it isn't always the case. I never said that your solution is completely useless, it's just not a good solution for most people Also, I'm pretty sure the Framework doesn't have a built in dedicated GPU like you're saying, but an optional detachable module for one (that makes it more viable in this case though)
        deaddodo 3y ago
        > I looked up the TDP of some laptop GPUs and they're all over 35W. The maximum TDP of the CPU the commenter was talking about, which has good integrated graphics, is 30W. The TDP of the mobile 4070 you mentioned is 115W(!) None of which is contained inside of the Framework laptop. Awesome, glad you found some random stats to dismiss a hypothetical laptop I mentioned. > You seemed to be very dismissive of the person you were replying to I offered an alternative to their complaint. But sure, instead of "dismissing" them, I could leave them to complain and whine. Or follow you down ever dwindling definitions of "thin" and "light" until you prove yourself correct about some made up argument in your head. Either way, I'm done with your Trump-style snippet-based retort tactics. Go buy a Steam Deck clone, since that's your's and the OP's only choice, apparently.
CameronNemo 3y ago
FYI the framework 13 doesn't even have a dGPU, so it would fit it seems. Not available yet, though, AFAIK. I'm certainly waiting for mine (preordered a couple months back).
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rjh29 3y ago
Too expensive.
- deaddodo 3y ago
  It's 850usd. You're unlikely to find anything other than underspec'd Steam Deck clones for less than that price point.
  - rjh29 3y ago
    If you mean the framework, a) it's not out yet b) it's not 850usd in my country (try double that, after adding ram/disk/modules). But it is a very nice laptop for sure. The others are things like Razor Blade and ASUS Zephyrus.

circuit10 3y ago

That only helps with the power draw, not thinness, weight or cost

deaddodo 3y ago
Which is specifically why I address thinness and weight independent of the disablement. You could read passed the first sentence next time. As to cost, AMD generally bundles their GPU/CPUs so you aren't saving much by removing it. Certainly not anything the manufacturer is going to pass on to you, at least.
- circuit10 3y ago
  It might be thin and light enough for you but I’m guessing it could be thinner or lighter Can they really provide a whole dedicated GPU, the extra circuitry on the motherboard to support it, a whole other cooling system, more powerful power delivery and the battery size to compensate all without costing any extra money or weight?
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    You vastly overestimate the TDP of a midrange laptop GPU. And/or don't understand general cooling infrastructure in modern laptops. As to the size, what is even the point of arguing. Just go look at the specs yourself and decide if it's thin and light enough. I gave an option that the majority would consider so. If it's not for you, fine. Find something else or accept it doesn't exist. You can keep moving the goalposts infinitely for someone who needs a hypothetically thinner and lighter laptop, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
    - circuit10 3y ago
      I looked up the TDP of some laptop GPUs and they're all over 35W. The maximum TDP of the CPU the commenter was talking about, which has good integrated graphics, is 30W. The TDP of the mobile 4070 you mentioned is 115W(!) > If it's not for you, fine. Find something else or accept it doesn't exist. You seemed to be very dismissive of the person you were replying to, implying that it's not an issue at all because you can just disable it. I'm pointing out that it isn't always the case. I never said that your solution is completely useless, it's just not a good solution for most people Also, I'm pretty sure the Framework doesn't have a built in dedicated GPU like you're saying, but an optional detachable module for one (that makes it more viable in this case though)
      - deaddodo 3y ago
        > I looked up the TDP of some laptop GPUs and they're all over 35W. The maximum TDP of the CPU the commenter was talking about, which has good integrated graphics, is 30W. The TDP of the mobile 4070 you mentioned is 115W(!) None of which is contained inside of the Framework laptop. Awesome, glad you found some random stats to dismiss a hypothetical laptop I mentioned. > You seemed to be very dismissive of the person you were replying to I offered an alternative to their complaint. But sure, instead of "dismissing" them, I could leave them to complain and whine. Or follow you down ever dwindling definitions of "thin" and "light" until you prove yourself correct about some made up argument in your head. Either way, I'm done with your Trump-style snippet-based retort tactics. Go buy a Steam Deck clone, since that's your's and the OP's only choice, apparently.

CameronNemo 3y ago

FYI the framework 13 doesn't even have a dGPU, so it would fit it seems. Not available yet, though, AFAIK. I'm certainly waiting for mine (preordered a couple months back).

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rjh29 3y ago

Too expensive.

deaddodo 3y ago
It's 850usd. You're unlikely to find anything other than underspec'd Steam Deck clones for less than that price point.
- rjh29 3y ago
  If you mean the framework, a) it's not out yet b) it's not 850usd in my country (try double that, after adding ram/disk/modules). But it is a very nice laptop for sure. The others are things like Razor Blade and ASUS Zephyrus.