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I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comme

by GaggiX 3y ago

I imagine it would be a better tablet, hopefully it would also have complete backward compatibility. Edit: I see there are a lot of replies already on my comment but I need to add more thoughts to it, I have the feeling that if Nintendo is going to release a better tablet with complete backward compatibility with the Switch, most developers will continue to develop for the original console instead of developing games for the new hardware as the Switch has sold >120mln of consoles, this is good for the consumer but it's probably not what Nintendo would want if their new generation console is seen as a "New 3ds" (there are only a dozen of games that run exclusively on this console, all the others run on the original hardware).

ksec 3y ago
>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  If 99.9% compatibility is good enough they could probably switch vendors if they reimplemented NVN on a different SOC, assuming that Nintendo was smart enough to retain the rights to reimplement NVN. Reimplementing NVN is a big lift so NVidia certainly has the inside track but it's probably enough of a threat that Nintendo has some negotiating power.
- hospitalJail 3y ago
  Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".
    - hospitalJail 3y ago
      Whataboutism I'll join in on the bashing of bad companies: I'll take Nintendo over Mercenary companies. Or Nintendo over Theranos! I'll take Nintendo over that one healthcare clinic that was fraud billing medicare. This thread is about Nintendo though, not mobile gaming.
    - bakugo 3y ago
      > gambling and fomo-baited cash shops Funny enough, they somehow managed to make Splatoon 3 feel more like a FOMO-infested skinner box than most modern live service games I've tried, despite it having no microtransactions.
  - epiccoleman 3y ago
    > Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. This is really not my experience. To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing that are pervasive in tech today. As for the "constant abuse of fans" thing - is Nintendo really that different from any other company who has to protect their IP in this arena? There have definitely been frustrating situations around fan games and the like, but the argument I've always seen (which makes sense) is that they pretty much have to enforce copyright zealously to prevent loss of control of their brands.
    - gjsman-1000 3y ago
      Also, this is Nintendo. Like it or not, and whether they like it or not, child friendly is their brand. Who’s to say, that if you allow one fan game, some pedophile won’t make their own fan game? And kids won’t start sending messages about how they appreciate his game? There isn’t one. Stop it before it can happen.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals. The current-gen Switch is kinda crazy underpowered. There's plenty of room for Nvidia to improve on the 20/16nm TSMC process used in the original, as well as adding better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing. It would still be an enormous performance leap even if they both phone it in and fab the console on cheap-as-chips TSMC 7nm.
  - bakugo 3y ago
    > better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing I hope none of this makes it into the next Switch. It's already enough that these things are completely ruining PC game performance, I don't want to buy a console in 2023 that can only play games at 480p upscaled.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      To each their own. In fairness to the current Switch, frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games. The point of naming those technologies was mostly just to spitball different things Nintendo and Nvidia might be interested in. It's hard to say what they focus on for the next generation.
      - bakugo 3y ago
        > frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games. I know, and those games look awful unless you're playing them on a tiny screen or sitting far away from it. 1080p screens were standard 10+ years ago, and rendering games natively at that resolution and 60fps was easily done on any decent PC of the time, even if sometimes you sometimes had to turn down the quality settings a bit. An entire decade later, I think it's unacceptable to release games that cannot be played at native 1080p 60fps on current gen hardware. DLSS & co. are simply being used as excuses by developers to not properly optimize their games (in some cases, releasing games that struggle to run on the best available hardware, see Starfield), and they will never look as good as native resolution.
hbn 3y ago
I feel like they pretty much have to make it backwards compatible. They just released a new Zelda game which is like a once-every-7-years event and there's no way they're gonna make people re-buy the game a year after launch on the new console, especially when they already made it the most expensive single price for a Switch game. Plus they have a fairly big Mario release coming up next month (Super Mario Bros Wonder), which again, they're not gonna make people re-buy within a year of release. It doesn't make sense to be launching these big titles a year before the new console if you only have a year to buy/play them before they sell you a new console that can't play it. Nintendo historically hasn't worked like that. My guess is it'll be backwards compatible like the jump from DS to 3DS, where the cartridge slot fits the last gen system's games and has the same contacts, but the new gen cartridges are shaped with some extra protrusion of plastic that stops you from shoving them into the last gen system.
- viraptor 3y ago
  There's nothing preventing them from serving recompiled versions from the store though, right? As long as the behaviour is the same, they could have two different versions behind the scenes for the first party games (Mario, Zelda).
  - mattl 3y ago
    Not sure how that would handle physical games? The cart just acts as a key and the game is downloaded?
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      ~~~That's entirely wrong. You can play the game straight out of the cartridge with no Internet connection. Of course, without patches.~~~ Edit: Sorry, I misread your comment. :|
    - KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
      Probably yes. In case of modern Xbox backwards compatibility with 360 and original, it works more or less this way.
ActionHank 3y ago
Man, if it could just run the store properly I would be happy.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  Part of that is that the entire OS, including the Store, runs on one CPU core. Makes sense - that’s how you open the store quickly to think, “should I buy this DLC?” and then change your mind. This is also why the background music for some games plays while you are browsing the Store. Games run on the remaining three CPU cores at all times. A more technical reason for this was that this prevented the need to implement preemptive multitasking in the microkernel OS, which would have been very slow by comparison. (Yes, the Switch OS uses cooperative multitasking for itself, but with sandboxing for unruly games.) Of course, running anything web-related on one ARM CPU core from 2015 is going to suck, regardless of the technical rationale.
  - ActionHank 3y ago
    Whilst those are all entirely valid technical reasons, I as a customer do not care at all and it is a bad experience. Not bad enough that it affects them financially, but just something that stands out on an otherwise incredibly polished product.

by GaggiX 3y ago

ksec 3y ago

>complete backward compatibility That would mean Nvidia SoC. The first gen Switch choose Nvidia because they were cheap, and Nvidia were despite to get their SoC into some use. With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
If 99.9% compatibility is good enough they could probably switch vendors if they reimplemented NVN on a different SOC, assuming that Nintendo was smart enough to retain the rights to reimplement NVN. Reimplementing NVN is a big lift so NVidia certainly has the inside track but it's probably enough of a threat that Nintendo has some negotiating power.
hospitalJail 3y ago
Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  I'll take whatever Nintendo is doing over gambling and fomo-baited cash shops in games any day. Though Nintendo's popular mobile games are as bad as any mobile gacha "experience".
  - hospitalJail 3y ago
    Whataboutism I'll join in on the bashing of bad companies: I'll take Nintendo over Mercenary companies. Or Nintendo over Theranos! I'll take Nintendo over that one healthcare clinic that was fraud billing medicare. This thread is about Nintendo though, not mobile gaming.
  - bakugo 3y ago
    > gambling and fomo-baited cash shops Funny enough, they somehow managed to make Splatoon 3 feel more like a FOMO-infested skinner box than most modern live service games I've tried, despite it having no microtransactions.
- epiccoleman 3y ago
  > Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. This is really not my experience. To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing that are pervasive in tech today. As for the "constant abuse of fans" thing - is Nintendo really that different from any other company who has to protect their IP in this arena? There have definitely been frustrating situations around fan games and the like, but the argument I've always seen (which makes sense) is that they pretty much have to enforce copyright zealously to prevent loss of control of their brands.
  - gjsman-1000 3y ago
    Also, this is Nintendo. Like it or not, and whether they like it or not, child friendly is their brand. Who’s to say, that if you allow one fan game, some pedophile won’t make their own fan game? And kids won’t start sending messages about how they appreciate his game? There isn’t one. Stop it before it can happen.
smoldesu 3y ago
> With today's Nvidia I am just worried Nintendo isn't getting any decent deals. The current-gen Switch is kinda crazy underpowered. There's plenty of room for Nvidia to improve on the 20/16nm TSMC process used in the original, as well as adding better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing. It would still be an enormous performance leap even if they both phone it in and fab the console on cheap-as-chips TSMC 7nm.
- bakugo 3y ago
  > better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing I hope none of this makes it into the next Switch. It's already enough that these things are completely ruining PC game performance, I don't want to buy a console in 2023 that can only play games at 480p upscaled.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    To each their own. In fairness to the current Switch, frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games. The point of naming those technologies was mostly just to spitball different things Nintendo and Nvidia might be interested in. It's hard to say what they focus on for the next generation.
    - bakugo 3y ago
      > frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games. I know, and those games look awful unless you're playing them on a tiny screen or sitting far away from it. 1080p screens were standard 10+ years ago, and rendering games natively at that resolution and 60fps was easily done on any decent PC of the time, even if sometimes you sometimes had to turn down the quality settings a bit. An entire decade later, I think it's unacceptable to release games that cannot be played at native 1080p 60fps on current gen hardware. DLSS & co. are simply being used as excuses by developers to not properly optimize their games (in some cases, releasing games that struggle to run on the best available hardware, see Starfield), and they will never look as good as native resolution.

hbn 3y ago

I feel like they pretty much have to make it backwards compatible. They just released a new Zelda game which is like a once-every-7-years event and there's no way they're gonna make people re-buy the game a year after launch on the new console, especially when they already made it the most expensive single price for a Switch game. Plus they have a fairly big Mario release coming up next month (Super Mario Bros Wonder), which again, they're not gonna make people re-buy within a year of release. It doesn't make sense to be launching these big titles a year before the new console if you only have a year to buy/play them before they sell you a new console that can't play it. Nintendo historically hasn't worked like that. My guess is it'll be backwards compatible like the jump from DS to 3DS, where the cartridge slot fits the last gen system's games and has the same contacts, but the new gen cartridges are shaped with some extra protrusion of plastic that stops you from shoving them into the last gen system.

viraptor 3y ago
There's nothing preventing them from serving recompiled versions from the store though, right? As long as the behaviour is the same, they could have two different versions behind the scenes for the first party games (Mario, Zelda).
- mattl 3y ago
  Not sure how that would handle physical games? The cart just acts as a key and the game is downloaded?
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    ~~~That's entirely wrong. You can play the game straight out of the cartridge with no Internet connection. Of course, without patches.~~~ Edit: Sorry, I misread your comment. :|
  - KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
    Probably yes. In case of modern Xbox backwards compatibility with 360 and original, it works more or less this way.

ActionHank 3y ago

Man, if it could just run the store properly I would be happy.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
Part of that is that the entire OS, including the Store, runs on one CPU core. Makes sense - that’s how you open the store quickly to think, “should I buy this DLC?” and then change your mind. This is also why the background music for some games plays while you are browsing the Store. Games run on the remaining three CPU cores at all times. A more technical reason for this was that this prevented the need to implement preemptive multitasking in the microkernel OS, which would have been very slow by comparison. (Yes, the Switch OS uses cooperative multitasking for itself, but with sandboxing for unruly games.) Of course, running anything web-related on one ARM CPU core from 2015 is going to suck, regardless of the technical rationale.
- ActionHank 3y ago
  Whilst those are all entirely valid technical reasons, I as a customer do not care at all and it is a bad experience. Not bad enough that it affects them financially, but just something that stands out on an otherwise incredibly polished product.