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What is the point? Getting some goodwill of non-paying users (aka. freeloaders), while (maybe) alienating paying users? I get that it is a project that uses lot
by fodkodrasz 3y ago
What is the point? Getting some goodwill of non-paying users (aka. freeloaders), while (maybe) alienating paying users? I get that it is a project that uses lots of volunteer work, but you won't pay your hosting fees and buildfarms from latest rust helloworld-webservice flake contributions from the programmers-socks wearing community.
Sidenote: the foundation of current computing is built on DoD money.
- boffinAudio 3y ago[flagged]
- ogogmad 3y agoWhile I think you're being genuine, remember that si vis pacem para bellum: "if you want peace, prepare for war". A blanket antimilitary view is very dangerous. A company should only be ostracised if it's helping carry out war crimes.
- nailer 3y agoWe can see this right now with the Ukraine invasion. The 'peace' side is advocating giving Putin whatever he wants.
- KptMarchewa 3y agoExactly. If NATO countries maintained cold war weapons and ammo stockpiles, the war would already be lost for russia. Instead we got unilateral demilitarization .
- nailer 3y agoUkraine disarmed their nuclear stockpile. Obviously Russia wouldn’t have invaded otherwise.
- KptMarchewa 3y agoSure, and that's a lesson for all other nuclear and potentially nuclear states. Ukraine as part of disarmament treaties even send russia Kh-55 cruise missiles and Tu-160 strategic bombers that are now used against them.
- _kbh_ 3y ago> Ukraine disarmed their nuclear stockpile. Obviously Russia wouldn’t have invaded otherwise. They disarmed their nuclear stockpile and their long range strike capability under an international agreement where the largest players in the world made promises / guarantees to them. My guess is that they suspected that Russia would actually follow them and not break it because they felt like it.
- Nullabillity 3y agoIt takes a lot more motivation to raise an offensive army than a defensive one (assuming that your populace believes that your society is worth defending, anyway).
- orochimaaru 3y agoI don’t. I think it’s counter productive. Going by that reasoning we shouldn’t be using the Internet because it was funded by DARPA. NixOS is open source. Anduril can just use it anyway. Besides, almost every major tech company will have defense ties in one way or another.
- busterarm 3y agoWar happens when the other party things that they can defeat you without too great a cost. Developing weapons for your country is anti-war too.
- boffinAudio 3y agoNonsense. Developing diplomacy for your nation is anti-war. But we know that diplomatic corps don't get even a pittance of the funding that the warrior hordes do ..
- busterarm 3y agoDiplomacy requires bargaining power. Carrots AND sticks. You've got a very naive view of the world.
- boffinAudio 3y agoI think it is you who has a naive view of the world because at the moment in US diplomacy, there are no carrots, there are only sticks and the world is definitely sick and tired of that shit.
- busterarm 3y agoYou are aware that global trade only exists as it is now for the last 70 years due to the US Navy protecting shipping routes and basically for free, right? If you think there are "no carrots" offered by the US, you're a silly person living in a fantasy world. Clearly there are carrots because the US has lots of positive diplomatic relationships with a pretty large percentage of the world's countries. We don't do this through having a boot on everyone's neck. We don't live in some fantasy story where the US is "The Great Evil".
- Nullabillity 3y agoGood thing then that the US has never started any wars! Of course, a for-profit industry that depends on wars (or at the very least, the fear that such is always imminent) would also never lobby to increase demand for their products and services. (/s)
- mfer 3y ago> Getting some goodwill of non-paying users I think you'll find they'll loose goodwill from some other non-paying folks. There are many people who code and use this technology who are pro-military. They may not speak up in the same circles as those who are against this but they exist. I'm only pointing this out to showcase the market is more diverse than people often realize.
- fodkodrasz 3y agoalso there is a silent majority, who does not have a special stance on lots of topics, just thinks like live and let live, and these kind of signalling are always a bad news for them (regardless of anti- or pro-something), as these useless drama-acts signal further polarization of the world, which often signal that some political takeover has happened in organizations which are not inherently political. This often signals a loss of focus for projects. (think GNU for example)
- packetlost 3y agoYeah, political statement and stances taken in venues/spaces that are not appropriate are not good IMO. We need less of that.
- tadfisher 3y agoAccepting sponsorship money from a company that designs and manufactures killing machines is a political statement, though. It is impossible to avoid political stances and live in the real world.
- nextaccountic 3y ago> There are many people who code and use this technology who are pro-military But are they pro-US military or they might be pro-other countries military?
- awolnikowski 3y agoLarge defense contractors are almost never exclusive to one country. For instance, the F35 is being procured by 17 different NATO and non-NATO countries. Similarly, Anduril has a number of European customers.