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Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western). However in some countries your phone must have mandatory go

Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western). However in some countries your phone must have mandatory government spyware on your mobile phone and PC: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort

bananapub 3y ago
> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western). depends on "casual" and "new" I guess? Echelon is a dragnet from the 70s, and at least the US, UK and Australian governments spied lots on anti-war protestors and environmentalists and civil rights campaigners and trade unionists. Some Australians wrote a book called "Our ASIO Files" (ASIO is the Australian internal spy/security agency) based on being surveilled during the 80s. > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort did you not read the article you've linked? this was never deplpoyed.
celtoid 3y ago
> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments Five Eyes are old hands at spying on their citizens. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
darkclouds 3y ago
HMRC can do the most unrestricted spy on the British population, and there is a lot of data sharing between all the different parts of the state, ie HMRC, Police, NHS etc etc. Any employee of the state can spy on you and the press also do a fair bit of spying on the population. Its a national past time when thinking of curtain twitchers and neighbourhood watch schemes.
- bananapub 3y ago
  > Any employee of the state can spy on you come on mate, get your head straight.
  - darkclouds 3y ago
    You really dont have a clue do you! Every part of the state you interact with takes notes, and the security services have access to it when they want it, bent judges do exist you know, and then they via Special Branch direct the Police. When is an anonymous tip off by the public, just a cover for the state. They cant do it to everyone as the game would be up, but there is much more surveillance than you realise. Alot of my relatives worked for the state, and as a kid I over heard alot!
yencabulator 3y ago
"New" is very relative. GSM phone communication protocol from late 80s was intentionally sabotaged to have 54-bit crypto keys so it could be easily attacked. (And it was only used over radio so base station traffic could be wiretapped even more easily.)

bananapub 3y ago

> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments (unless you count East Germany as Western). depends on "casual" and "new" I guess? Echelon is a dragnet from the 70s, and at least the US, UK and Australian governments spied lots on anti-war protestors and environmentalists and civil rights campaigners and trade unionists. Some Australians wrote a book called "Our ASIO Files" (ASIO is the Australian internal spy/security agency) based on being surveilled during the 80s. > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort did you not read the article you've linked? this was never deplpoyed.

celtoid 3y ago

> Casual spying on citizens is new to Western governments Five Eyes are old hands at spying on their citizens. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

darkclouds 3y ago

HMRC can do the most unrestricted spy on the British population, and there is a lot of data sharing between all the different parts of the state, ie HMRC, Police, NHS etc etc. Any employee of the state can spy on you and the press also do a fair bit of spying on the population. Its a national past time when thinking of curtain twitchers and neighbourhood watch schemes.

bananapub 3y ago
> Any employee of the state can spy on you come on mate, get your head straight.
- darkclouds 3y ago
  You really dont have a clue do you! Every part of the state you interact with takes notes, and the security services have access to it when they want it, bent judges do exist you know, and then they via Special Branch direct the Police. When is an anonymous tip off by the public, just a cover for the state. They cant do it to everyone as the game would be up, but there is much more surveillance than you realise. Alot of my relatives worked for the state, and as a kid I over heard alot!

yencabulator 3y ago

"New" is very relative. GSM phone communication protocol from late 80s was intentionally sabotaged to have 54-bit crypto keys so it could be easily attacked. (And it was only used over radio so base station traffic could be wiretapped even more easily.)