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I wish Apple would do the same type of app for Jazz, as they did Classical. I used to use Roon for the awesome discovery, info on songs, but cleaned up a lot o

by taude 3y ago

I wish Apple would do the same type of app for Jazz, as they did Classical. I used to use Roon for the awesome discovery, info on songs, but cleaned up a lot of my subscriptions (and I didn't need Roon for any of the fancy crooss-platform streaming support it had), but in playing with the Apple Classical app, I could see how doing the same thing with Jazz would be really well received.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Considering that another 50-year-old label with an aging founder is ECM Records, it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple did buy that eventually and do something with jazz, especially considering that label’s reputation for pristine sound and overlap with classical.
hospitalJail 3y ago
Given Apple closes everything, isnt it bad for society whenever they make an acquisition?
crazygringo 3y ago
The problem with a jazz app, as I see it, it that its boundaries are too fluid. I feel like I can definitively tell you whether a given track is classical or not. But there's a lot of jazz I could include within classical, but also jazz I could include within hip-hop, jazz that I'd consider also just pop... that's the remarkable property about jazz, that it can fuse with anything. So I don't know how you'd draw a boundary around what tracks would and would not be included. Not to mention that the two main reasons a dedicated classical app exists is to be able to organize by composer and by multi-movement work (e.g. symphony). While jazz generally fits well into the standard organization by artist and track.
- 112233 3y ago
  Say, i'd like to listen to music produced by Brian Eno. Or composed by Max Martin. Or performed by Masayoshi Takanaka. Surely artist/track is not helpful there
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    I mean sure, but as those artists illustrate, that's nothing about jazz specifically. And 99+% of people have no interest in anything outside the artist -- they're self-described fans of Britney Spears, not Max Martin. But of course streaming services seem to find ways to surface at least some of that, e.g. there's an official Spotify playlist of songs Max Martin has written/produced: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWXDAhqlN7e6W?si=8c9baa6d6c7a4084 https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWXDAhqlN7e6W?si=...
    - stephencanon 3y ago
      > And 99+% of people have no interest in anything outside the artist This is precisely something that's different about jazz, though--there's often no reasonable notion of "the" artist. It would be perfectly reasonable and expected for someone to say "play me some music with Paul Chambers on bass," which off the top of my head would get recordings led by Trane, Miles, the Adderley brothers, Chet Baker, Toshiko Akiyoshi, Sonny Clark, Philly Joe Jones, JJ Johnson, Sonny Rollins, and I'm sure that I'm remembering only a small fraction. As you note, people don't really do that with pop, or even classical. People do look for music with a certain soloist or conductor, but they mostly don't ask for music with a certain principal clarinetist.
112233 3y ago
Why limit genre at all? Looking at my library, albums from Neil Cowley and Nils Frahm show on classical app, but from Portico Quartet and Floex do not. Roger Eno shows, Brian Eno not. What kind of lottery is that. Also, some attention to the main app would not hurt. Albums from different artists with the same name are randomly mixed together. Albums usually show year and label info, but there is no way to search for it.

by taude 3y ago

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

Considering that another 50-year-old label with an aging founder is ECM Records, it wouldn’t surprise me if Apple did buy that eventually and do something with jazz, especially considering that label’s reputation for pristine sound and overlap with classical.

hospitalJail 3y ago

Given Apple closes everything, isnt it bad for society whenever they make an acquisition?

crazygringo 3y ago

The problem with a jazz app, as I see it, it that its boundaries are too fluid. I feel like I can definitively tell you whether a given track is classical or not. But there's a lot of jazz I could include within classical, but also jazz I could include within hip-hop, jazz that I'd consider also just pop... that's the remarkable property about jazz, that it can fuse with anything. So I don't know how you'd draw a boundary around what tracks would and would not be included. Not to mention that the two main reasons a dedicated classical app exists is to be able to organize by composer and by multi-movement work (e.g. symphony). While jazz generally fits well into the standard organization by artist and track.

112233 3y ago
Say, i'd like to listen to music produced by Brian Eno. Or composed by Max Martin. Or performed by Masayoshi Takanaka. Surely artist/track is not helpful there
- crazygringo 3y ago
  I mean sure, but as those artists illustrate, that's nothing about jazz specifically. And 99+% of people have no interest in anything outside the artist -- they're self-described fans of Britney Spears, not Max Martin. But of course streaming services seem to find ways to surface at least some of that, e.g. there's an official Spotify playlist of songs Max Martin has written/produced: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWXDAhqlN7e6W?si=8c9baa6d6c7a4084 https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWXDAhqlN7e6W?si=...
  - stephencanon 3y ago
    > And 99+% of people have no interest in anything outside the artist This is precisely something that's different about jazz, though--there's often no reasonable notion of "the" artist. It would be perfectly reasonable and expected for someone to say "play me some music with Paul Chambers on bass," which off the top of my head would get recordings led by Trane, Miles, the Adderley brothers, Chet Baker, Toshiko Akiyoshi, Sonny Clark, Philly Joe Jones, JJ Johnson, Sonny Rollins, and I'm sure that I'm remembering only a small fraction. As you note, people don't really do that with pop, or even classical. People do look for music with a certain soloist or conductor, but they mostly don't ask for music with a certain principal clarinetist.

112233 3y ago

Why limit genre at all? Looking at my library, albums from Neil Cowley and Nils Frahm show on classical app, but from Portico Quartet and Floex do not. Roger Eno shows, Brian Eno not. What kind of lottery is that. Also, some attention to the main app would not hurt. Albums from different artists with the same name are randomly mixed together. Albums usually show year and label info, but there is no way to search for it.