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>Yet nowhere in any standard interpretation of religious law does it state that women may not work or get an education. Women are not allowed to work outside t

>Yet nowhere in any standard interpretation of religious law does it state that women may not work or get an education. Women are not allowed to work outside the home according to the Quran, there are exceptions but this is not generally allowed.[1] Anand Gopal is very anti-US so he seems to be sugar coating things a bit. [1]https://islamqa.info/en/answers/106815/guidelines-on-women-working-outside-the-home https://islamqa.info/en/answers/106815/guidelines-on-women-w...

mrwnmonm 3y ago
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TheColorYellow 3y ago
The preceding lines in this surah explicitly mention this is addressed to wives of the Prophet who are unlike other women. The answer in your link even explicitly mentions this is their interpretation outside of what is explicitly written. Islam is no different from the other Abrahamic religions. It is the culture of organized Islam that is uniquely violent, conservative, and extreme in its views today. But please, DYOR.
- dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
  Religion is always interpreted by people and how they interpret and act on the text becomes the religion itself. If you read the Bible, you'll find Christians don't follow most of the stuff written there and do follow a lot of stuff that is nowhere to be found in the bible (the Trinity, for example). You can't really separate the religion from its culture is what I'm saying. If you go to into a cave and practice your own pure form of Islam, that is commendable, but has no impact on the rest of the world and thus isn't worthy of discussion.
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- 1over137 3y ago
  >Islam is no different from the other Abrahamic religions. But it is. For one, it claims its book, the Quran, is the literal word of god. This makes wiggling out of the (many) nasty bits much harder.
dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
Additionally: > Pashtun villages enforce a rigid gender segregation, confining women to the home in order to preserve the family’s honor. Gender segregation is currently practiced in many Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia, Iraq to give some examples).. It doesn't feel right to justify Sharia law by saying "oh, but under tribal law women are just property". Both are too old fashioned and should be discarded or amended.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  > Both are too old fashioned and should be discarded or amended. While I'm not supporting Sharia in any way, I support its amendment rather than complete abandonment, because a) it's easier and allows an iterative and a more acceptable way forward for its practitioners, b) It's supposed to evolve with times, anyway. I remember talking with a religion teacher that one of the most prominent Sharia law books start with "These laws are made for this era. Modernize and change them when times change". I think it's too inconvenient to preserve that page for some people.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Though surely this applies only to Ijma and suchlike. The rules which derive directly from the Quaran are the word of Allah and therefore immutable, and the Hadiths would be similarly difficult to question or reevaluate.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Yeah, but as far as I remember, some of the most criticized parts are open for interpretation. I may be wrong though.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  FWIW, Saudi Arabia has almost entirely stopped legal enforcement of gender segregation during MBS's reign.
adrian_b 3y ago
The text from your link is much better described that women are allowed to work outside the home, but only if a long list of conditions are met, most of which will not be true for workplaces in Western countries, e.g. that all coworkers must also be women.
smusamashah 3y ago
This link is just a misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what is written in the book. Not different from what you see in the video in the newyorker article.
gryn 3y ago
No, that the website's interpretation of that verse. An extermist one at that. The more common interpretation of that verse and the ones sourouding it is about prefering to pray at home instead of going to the mosque. And when going to the mosque to not go in "revealing" clothes/fashion that would attract perverted men's attention. Here's another website interpretation. https://recitequran.com/tafsir/en.ibn-kathir/33:33 https://recitequran.com/tafsir/en.ibn-kathir/33:33
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  The website IslamQA is run by the Islamic scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid and adheres to the Sunni doctrine[1], the belief of 87-90% of Muslims[2]. If by extremist you mean unpopular that's not true.[3] [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Al-Munajjid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Al-Munajjid [2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#:~:text=Most%20Muslims%20are%20either%20of,Sahel%2C%20and%20the%20Middle%20East https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#:~:text=Mos.... [3]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_labor_force_in_the_Muslim_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_labor_force_in_the_Mu...
  - zogrodea 3y ago
    There is internal diversity between Sunni Muslims. The most common/accepted legal rulings are by the four legal schools: Maliki, Hanbali, Shafee and Hanafi. Some Sunnis broke away from those schools and are Salafi, which that particular website is. Salafi thought is promoted these days by the government of Saudi Arabia, but most Sunni Muslims today still adhere to the four legal schools I believe.
  - gryn 3y ago
    I'm not saying that the website itself is extremist (don't know never used it), I'm saying that the interpretation is so in this specific case. Also when talking about 'sharia law', sunni doesn't tell you much it's the jurisprudence part that's relevant and in the first link to the scholar you mentioned it say he follow the hanbali school of jurisprudence which is the least popular among sunni and the most extermist, for a long time it was not even deemed a legitimate one, the reason it still exist today is because of wahabism that sponsored by Saudi Arabia's money make it possible. To go from this to saying that 90% Muslims support this view is very dishonest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbali_school https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbali_school

mrwnmonm 3y ago

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TheColorYellow 3y ago

The preceding lines in this surah explicitly mention this is addressed to wives of the Prophet who are unlike other women. The answer in your link even explicitly mentions this is their interpretation outside of what is explicitly written. Islam is no different from the other Abrahamic religions. It is the culture of organized Islam that is uniquely violent, conservative, and extreme in its views today. But please, DYOR.

dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
Religion is always interpreted by people and how they interpret and act on the text becomes the religion itself. If you read the Bible, you'll find Christians don't follow most of the stuff written there and do follow a lot of stuff that is nowhere to be found in the bible (the Trinity, for example). You can't really separate the religion from its culture is what I'm saying. If you go to into a cave and practice your own pure form of Islam, that is commendable, but has no impact on the rest of the world and thus isn't worthy of discussion.
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1over137 3y ago
>Islam is no different from the other Abrahamic religions. But it is. For one, it claims its book, the Quran, is the literal word of god. This makes wiggling out of the (many) nasty bits much harder.

dj_mc_merlin 3y ago

Additionally: > Pashtun villages enforce a rigid gender segregation, confining women to the home in order to preserve the family’s honor. Gender segregation is currently practiced in many Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia, Iraq to give some examples).. It doesn't feel right to justify Sharia law by saying "oh, but under tribal law women are just property". Both are too old fashioned and should be discarded or amended.

bayindirh 3y ago
> Both are too old fashioned and should be discarded or amended. While I'm not supporting Sharia in any way, I support its amendment rather than complete abandonment, because a) it's easier and allows an iterative and a more acceptable way forward for its practitioners, b) It's supposed to evolve with times, anyway. I remember talking with a religion teacher that one of the most prominent Sharia law books start with "These laws are made for this era. Modernize and change them when times change". I think it's too inconvenient to preserve that page for some people.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Though surely this applies only to Ijma and suchlike. The rules which derive directly from the Quaran are the word of Allah and therefore immutable, and the Hadiths would be similarly difficult to question or reevaluate.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Yeah, but as far as I remember, some of the most criticized parts are open for interpretation. I may be wrong though.
resolutebat 3y ago
FWIW, Saudi Arabia has almost entirely stopped legal enforcement of gender segregation during MBS's reign.

adrian_b 3y ago

The text from your link is much better described that women are allowed to work outside the home, but only if a long list of conditions are met, most of which will not be true for workplaces in Western countries, e.g. that all coworkers must also be women.

smusamashah 3y ago

This link is just a misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what is written in the book. Not different from what you see in the video in the newyorker article.

gryn 3y ago

No, that the website's interpretation of that verse. An extermist one at that. The more common interpretation of that verse and the ones sourouding it is about prefering to pray at home instead of going to the mosque. And when going to the mosque to not go in "revealing" clothes/fashion that would attract perverted men's attention. Here's another website interpretation. https://recitequran.com/tafsir/en.ibn-kathir/33:33 https://recitequran.com/tafsir/en.ibn-kathir/33:33

hotdogscout 3y ago
The website IslamQA is run by the Islamic scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid and adheres to the Sunni doctrine[1], the belief of 87-90% of Muslims[2]. If by extremist you mean unpopular that's not true.[3] [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Al-Munajjid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Al-Munajjid [2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#:~:text=Most%20Muslims%20are%20either%20of,Sahel%2C%20and%20the%20Middle%20East https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#:~:text=Mos.... [3]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_labor_force_in_the_Muslim_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_labor_force_in_the_Mu...
- zogrodea 3y ago
  There is internal diversity between Sunni Muslims. The most common/accepted legal rulings are by the four legal schools: Maliki, Hanbali, Shafee and Hanafi. Some Sunnis broke away from those schools and are Salafi, which that particular website is. Salafi thought is promoted these days by the government of Saudi Arabia, but most Sunni Muslims today still adhere to the four legal schools I believe.
- gryn 3y ago
  I'm not saying that the website itself is extremist (don't know never used it), I'm saying that the interpretation is so in this specific case. Also when talking about 'sharia law', sunni doesn't tell you much it's the jurisprudence part that's relevant and in the first link to the scholar you mentioned it say he follow the hanbali school of jurisprudence which is the least popular among sunni and the most extermist, for a long time it was not even deemed a legitimate one, the reason it still exist today is because of wahabism that sponsored by Saudi Arabia's money make it possible. To go from this to saying that 90% Muslims support this view is very dishonest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbali_school https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanbali_school