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The word "falsifiable" does not mean the thing that you are using it for. It sounds like you are using it to mean "it was proven wrong." When talking about theo

The word "falsifiable" does not mean the thing that you are using it for. It sounds like you are using it to mean "it was proven wrong." When talking about theories, a theory that is not falsifiable is one that could not be ever proven wrong. The best theories are falsifiable, but have a lot of evidence pointing for the theory, and little or no against it.

jakear 3y ago
If something has been falsified, then it is clearly not unfalsifiable. If something is false, it's a much stronger claim than that it is simply falsifiable. That is the case here. What's your point?
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  So by your definition, is the bible false, unfalsifiable, or has it been falsified?
  - jakear 3y ago
    Are you being intentionally difficult in leaving out "falsifiable, but not yet falsified" and repeating "false" twice?
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      Have you done the math on the Noah's Ark story? Please argue in good faith, not argue from blind faith.
      - jakear 3y ago
        You also left out "allegorical".
        DonHopkins 3y ago
        So you're a "Cafeteria Christian"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Christians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Christians
        jakear 3y ago
        I follow Jesus, that's what it means to be a Christian. He never said we have to take all of the Old Testament at face value (even though I never claimed I didn't). In fact His earthly mission was to inform us that it was out of date and He had the new Gospel, and many of his recorded words were dedicated to deriding those who followed the Old Testament legalistically. Edit: if you actually would like a literalists interpretation of the flood, you could do worse than call up The Narrow Path radio show I linked above from 2-3 PM Pacific time and ask. The host is a full literalist and would be happy to talk.
        DonHopkins 3y ago
        So you've definitely proven my point you're not arguing in good faith, just from blind faith.
        jibal 3y ago
        jakear says "He never said we have to take all of the Old Testament at face value" but he pretty much did: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-not-iota-not-dot-will-pass-law-until-all-accomplished https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-did-jesus-mean-...
        jakear 3y ago
        He's saying that His coming has fulfilled the prophecies of the Messiah, and that the other prophecies of the Old Testament are still in effect. Please read a list of translations of that verse here, along with the original Greek https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm and come to your own conclusion of whether it has anything at all to do with a literal interpretation.
jibal 3y ago
They didn't say "falsifiable", they said "falsified" -- their word usage was correct: something the is Xifiable can be Xified. "falsified" does indeed mean "proven wrong" -- check your dictionary. (However, they are not correct that the theory of common descent has been falsified. And I have no idea what "Jesus is King" even means, nor is it relevant.)
- jibal 3y ago
  P.S. "The idea that there is a tree of sexual reproduction that can attribute for the current variation in genetic material has been disproven." No, it hasn't, and existence of horizontal gene transfer is not relevant to that erroneous claim.
  - jakear 3y ago
    If you want to actually argue you should make an actual argument. The existence of plasmids proves my point, you've supplied no evidence for yours.
- koliber 3y ago
  You're right. I've never come across such usage of "falsified".
  - jibal 3y ago
    It's quite common is discussions of falsifiability, e.g., https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-idea-that-a-scientific-theory-can-be-falsified-is-a-myth/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-idea-that-a-s... , https://explorable.com/falsifiability https://explorable.com/falsifiability , https://blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2021/07/31/what-does-it-mean-for-science-to-be-falsifiable/ https://blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2021/07/31/what-does-it-mean-for-s... , https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/falsifiability https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/falsif... , http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2014/03/falsifiable-and-falsification-in-science.html http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2014/03/falsifiable... , etc.
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jakear 3y ago

If something has been falsified, then it is clearly not unfalsifiable. If something is false, it's a much stronger claim than that it is simply falsifiable. That is the case here. What's your point?

DonHopkins 3y ago
So by your definition, is the bible false, unfalsifiable, or has it been falsified?
- jakear 3y ago
  Are you being intentionally difficult in leaving out "falsifiable, but not yet falsified" and repeating "false" twice?
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    Have you done the math on the Noah's Ark story? Please argue in good faith, not argue from blind faith.
    - jakear 3y ago
      You also left out "allegorical".
      - DonHopkins 3y ago
        So you're a "Cafeteria Christian"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Christians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Christians
        jakear 3y ago
        I follow Jesus, that's what it means to be a Christian. He never said we have to take all of the Old Testament at face value (even though I never claimed I didn't). In fact His earthly mission was to inform us that it was out of date and He had the new Gospel, and many of his recorded words were dedicated to deriding those who followed the Old Testament legalistically. Edit: if you actually would like a literalists interpretation of the flood, you could do worse than call up The Narrow Path radio show I linked above from 2-3 PM Pacific time and ask. The host is a full literalist and would be happy to talk.
        DonHopkins 3y ago
        So you've definitely proven my point you're not arguing in good faith, just from blind faith.
        jibal 3y ago
        jakear says "He never said we have to take all of the Old Testament at face value" but he pretty much did: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-not-iota-not-dot-will-pass-law-until-all-accomplished https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-did-jesus-mean-...
        jakear 3y ago
        He's saying that His coming has fulfilled the prophecies of the Messiah, and that the other prophecies of the Old Testament are still in effect. Please read a list of translations of that verse here, along with the original Greek https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm and come to your own conclusion of whether it has anything at all to do with a literal interpretation.

jibal 3y ago

They didn't say "falsifiable", they said "falsified" -- their word usage was correct: something the is Xifiable can be Xified. "falsified" does indeed mean "proven wrong" -- check your dictionary. (However, they are not correct that the theory of common descent has been falsified. And I have no idea what "Jesus is King" even means, nor is it relevant.)

jibal 3y ago
P.S. "The idea that there is a tree of sexual reproduction that can attribute for the current variation in genetic material has been disproven." No, it hasn't, and existence of horizontal gene transfer is not relevant to that erroneous claim.
- jakear 3y ago
  If you want to actually argue you should make an actual argument. The existence of plasmids proves my point, you've supplied no evidence for yours.
koliber 3y ago
You're right. I've never come across such usage of "falsified".
- jibal 3y ago
  It's quite common is discussions of falsifiability, e.g., https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-idea-that-a-scientific-theory-can-be-falsified-is-a-myth/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-idea-that-a-s... , https://explorable.com/falsifiability https://explorable.com/falsifiability , https://blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2021/07/31/what-does-it-mean-for-science-to-be-falsifiable/ https://blogs.iu.edu/sciu/2021/07/31/what-does-it-mean-for-s... , https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/falsifiability https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/computer-science/falsif... , http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2014/03/falsifiable-and-falsification-in-science.html http://variable-variability.blogspot.com/2014/03/falsifiable... , etc.
3y ago