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You see a lot of cinema and music come out of Canada because the government puts a lot of effort into funding it, something as a Canadian I'm quite proud of and

by neom 3y ago

You see a lot of cinema and music come out of Canada because the government puts a lot of effort into funding it, something as a Canadian I'm quite proud of and believe is a great use of tax dollars: https://www.canada.ca/en/services/culture/arts-media/film-video.html https://www.canada.ca/en/services/culture/arts-media/film-vi... Film and video tax credit: https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding/cavco-tax-credits/canadian-film-video-production.html https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding/... Canada Music Fund: https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding/music-fund.html https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding/... Funding available generally: https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding.html https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/funding....

brailsafe 3y ago
I think it is great that we fund the arts pretty well, despite the feds getting a little eager with it sometimes. I think there's some kind of distinction to be made about what actually makes it out of Canada because we make it cheap for things to be filmed here, and what is created here regardless and aided by financing. My hunch is that music and film are somewhat different in this respect
twelvechairs 3y ago
Not just Canada. The Scottish band 'Boards of Canada' was named directly after the National Film Board of Canada as the members of the band had grown up watching films and animations of the film board.
- FredPret 3y ago
  I’ve always wondered about that name!
- neom 3y ago
  Indeed, I watch A LOT of DW Documentaries, they are amazing, high quality and always extremely varied in their subject matters. I am enterally greatful to the Germans for funding this. If you're German and reading this: Danke schön!!!! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW39zufHfsuGgpLviKh297Q/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW39zufHfsuGgpLviKh297Q/vid...
verisimi 3y ago
I'm mystified at this type of comment. What business does government have to choose the culture you experience? This is like the idea that it is perfectly fine that government funds all science research. It's this really what government is there to do? It's great that you like it, but what if I don't like the culture/science it spends my tax dollars on? How can I like something that people are forced to pay for, whether they like it or not? I think government is already terrible - spending other people's money inefficiently on pensions, wars, surveillance, mis-education, big pharma, etc - I don't think the arts are anything it should be funding. What is the difference between funding the arts and propaganda? How is this not simply about driving whatever agendas government is promoting? I have so many issues with the idea that government is a benefit to us, the idea of it sponsoring the arts is only indicative of the already massive overreach it has. And then to cheer it's actions, happy that government forcibly extracts more from the people it purports to serve! It boggles the mind.
- dmos62 3y ago
  Canada is a democracy. If you're not happy with your representation, you should pick that up with your representatives. The way you describe being forced to pay sounds like you think you're living in an autocracy. Art is awesome and brittle. It's very hard to make a living from art. Public funding of it is essential to a healthy society. And, i don't think that art that is funded publicly has to be popular. The goal is the opposite. Commercial art has to be popular enough to survive. The idea of funding it is to free the artists from those constraints.
  - verisimi 3y ago
    It's not a democracy, as you then explain - it's a 'representative democracy'. You choose 1 person (from a selection of 2 or 3) and then they make all the decisions for the next 4/5 years. If they don't do what they said they would, this is fine - their pension is not at risk. Democracy is where you choose, or at least input into, the decision-making process. Forcible extraction of wealth, to be invested as the government sees fit cannot be justified by the fact that art is brittle. Art is awesome I agree, I don't want propaganda as art.
snapplebobapple 3y ago
It's interesting that you're proud of this and think it's a great use of tax dollars. To me it is the great shame of Canada funding bread and circuses to this extent rather than pushing the production possibility frontier out through actual research funding/ focusing on bringing research from the lab to the industrial scale production line. This seems like mostly a waste, especially since there are quite a lot of private options for entertainment content. I hope we can continue to disagree so utterly and vehemently while also maintaining civility. That is something I think we both can agree is great.
- Kranar 3y ago
  I have no idea what "production possibility frontier out through actual research funding/ focusing..." is even remotely supposed to mean, but the Canadian government invests in a wide array of areas including industry and research. In fact the SRED (scientific research and experimental development) tax credit is quite possibly the most generous research and development credit generally available to companies in the world.
  - snapplebobapple 3y ago
    Yes, i am aware that some of what the government funds may be considered useful for increasing productivity through technological advancement. I wasn't commenting on that subset of the gargantuan spending machine that is our government. I was commenting on the clear waste of money funding the modern equivalent of bread and circuses that is this portion of the spending.

by neom 3y ago

brailsafe 3y ago

I think it is great that we fund the arts pretty well, despite the feds getting a little eager with it sometimes. I think there's some kind of distinction to be made about what actually makes it out of Canada because we make it cheap for things to be filmed here, and what is created here regardless and aided by financing. My hunch is that music and film are somewhat different in this respect

twelvechairs 3y ago

Not just Canada. The Scottish band 'Boards of Canada' was named directly after the National Film Board of Canada as the members of the band had grown up watching films and animations of the film board.

FredPret 3y ago
I’ve always wondered about that name!
neom 3y ago
Indeed, I watch A LOT of DW Documentaries, they are amazing, high quality and always extremely varied in their subject matters. I am enterally greatful to the Germans for funding this. If you're German and reading this: Danke schön!!!! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW39zufHfsuGgpLviKh297Q/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW39zufHfsuGgpLviKh297Q/vid...

verisimi 3y ago

I'm mystified at this type of comment. What business does government have to choose the culture you experience? This is like the idea that it is perfectly fine that government funds all science research. It's this really what government is there to do? It's great that you like it, but what if I don't like the culture/science it spends my tax dollars on? How can I like something that people are forced to pay for, whether they like it or not? I think government is already terrible - spending other people's money inefficiently on pensions, wars, surveillance, mis-education, big pharma, etc - I don't think the arts are anything it should be funding. What is the difference between funding the arts and propaganda? How is this not simply about driving whatever agendas government is promoting? I have so many issues with the idea that government is a benefit to us, the idea of it sponsoring the arts is only indicative of the already massive overreach it has. And then to cheer it's actions, happy that government forcibly extracts more from the people it purports to serve! It boggles the mind.

dmos62 3y ago
Canada is a democracy. If you're not happy with your representation, you should pick that up with your representatives. The way you describe being forced to pay sounds like you think you're living in an autocracy. Art is awesome and brittle. It's very hard to make a living from art. Public funding of it is essential to a healthy society. And, i don't think that art that is funded publicly has to be popular. The goal is the opposite. Commercial art has to be popular enough to survive. The idea of funding it is to free the artists from those constraints.
- verisimi 3y ago
  It's not a democracy, as you then explain - it's a 'representative democracy'. You choose 1 person (from a selection of 2 or 3) and then they make all the decisions for the next 4/5 years. If they don't do what they said they would, this is fine - their pension is not at risk. Democracy is where you choose, or at least input into, the decision-making process. Forcible extraction of wealth, to be invested as the government sees fit cannot be justified by the fact that art is brittle. Art is awesome I agree, I don't want propaganda as art.

snapplebobapple 3y ago

It's interesting that you're proud of this and think it's a great use of tax dollars. To me it is the great shame of Canada funding bread and circuses to this extent rather than pushing the production possibility frontier out through actual research funding/ focusing on bringing research from the lab to the industrial scale production line. This seems like mostly a waste, especially since there are quite a lot of private options for entertainment content. I hope we can continue to disagree so utterly and vehemently while also maintaining civility. That is something I think we both can agree is great.

Kranar 3y ago
I have no idea what "production possibility frontier out through actual research funding/ focusing..." is even remotely supposed to mean, but the Canadian government invests in a wide array of areas including industry and research. In fact the SRED (scientific research and experimental development) tax credit is quite possibly the most generous research and development credit generally available to companies in the world.
- snapplebobapple 3y ago
  Yes, i am aware that some of what the government funds may be considered useful for increasing productivity through technological advancement. I wasn't commenting on that subset of the gargantuan spending machine that is our government. I was commenting on the clear waste of money funding the modern equivalent of bread and circuses that is this portion of the spending.