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>as long as you're not breaking laws, you'll be fine. My expectation is that this would most likely be nearly impossible without money and therefore work, beca

>as long as you're not breaking laws, you'll be fine. My expectation is that this would most likely be nearly impossible without money and therefore work, because you can't live on land you don't have the rights to. From a quick search, you can legally camp in national parks in the same spot for up to 2 weeks before you have to move at least 25 miles. And of course, there are legal restrictions on hunting and fishing that (I expect) would be make feeding yourself impractical. But that's besides the point. It's still exploitation even if other options are merely much more difficult/annoying/painful and not impossible.

drekipus 3y ago
> It's still exploitation even if other options are merely much more difficult what wouldn't be exploitation, in your estimation? what is the meaning of the word? is me, telling my kids to take out the trash, exploitation? am I being exploited when i feed my kids and put them to bed?
- esarbe 3y ago
  What a very good question. One that Marx already examined. I'm not a Marxist, but I find his analysis and conclusion to be spot-on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour
  - drekipus 3y ago
    "unfair" is in the first sentence, which is what I'm asking about, who defines fair? If you're not a Marxist, you are your own person, so what are your thoughts on the matter.
    - esarbe 3y ago
      Also a very good question! Im my opinion, all employees in a business should receive about the same amount of money. Either someone is doing a necessary job and thus contributing just the same as everyone else, or that job is not necessary and then there is no need to pay someone to do it. There can some variance in the distribution and that might even be useful in some sense. That said; I'm a syndicalist. I think that the people working in business should own that business. That way there's no issue of exploitation. The capitalist model of economic progress allows too much inequality to creep in, something that in the long run is harmful for any society. It also allows of an unreasonable compounding of slight initial differences that then will explode into the madness we see today, where some individuals have more economic power than hundreds of millions of others - now that is unfair.

drekipus 3y ago

> It's still exploitation even if other options are merely much more difficult what wouldn't be exploitation, in your estimation? what is the meaning of the word? is me, telling my kids to take out the trash, exploitation? am I being exploited when i feed my kids and put them to bed?

esarbe 3y ago
What a very good question. One that Marx already examined. I'm not a Marxist, but I find his analysis and conclusion to be spot-on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_labour
- drekipus 3y ago
  "unfair" is in the first sentence, which is what I'm asking about, who defines fair? If you're not a Marxist, you are your own person, so what are your thoughts on the matter.
  - esarbe 3y ago
    Also a very good question! Im my opinion, all employees in a business should receive about the same amount of money. Either someone is doing a necessary job and thus contributing just the same as everyone else, or that job is not necessary and then there is no need to pay someone to do it. There can some variance in the distribution and that might even be useful in some sense. That said; I'm a syndicalist. I think that the people working in business should own that business. That way there's no issue of exploitation. The capitalist model of economic progress allows too much inequality to creep in, something that in the long run is harmful for any society. It also allows of an unreasonable compounding of slight initial differences that then will explode into the madness we see today, where some individuals have more economic power than hundreds of millions of others - now that is unfair.