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> One more thing: we say we are unconscious under anesthesia or when we are asleep. Why? Because we don't don't have any memory of what it was like to be in the
by tasty_freeze 3y ago
> One more thing: we say we are unconscious under anesthesia or when we are asleep. Why? Because we don't don't have any memory of what it was like to be in these states.
Most people do have a memory of what it was like to be dreaming, at least some of the time. And some people have vivid, detailed recall of dream narratives -- I dated one for four years. Even in her summarizing mode she could go on for ten minutes about one dream.
Going back to your main theme -- there are people who know they experience pain, and will grant that other humans experience pain. But because fish are so different from humans, their aversive behaviors when snagged on a hook, or gasping as they suffocate out of the water are attributed to reflexive action and is absent pain. Sure, I can't know what their experience is like, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, etc, it is likely a duck. The same applies to consciousness of advanced artificial neural networks.
- me_me_me 3y ago> Most people do have a memory of what it was like to be dreaming, at least some of the time. And some people have vivid, detailed recall of dream narratives -- I dated one for four years. Even in her summarizing mode she could go on for ten minutes about one dream. They were talking about anesthesia, its a different state to a dream state. When you fall under anesthesia you just shut down - no experiences of any kind - and next thing you experience is waking up.
- tasty_freeze 3y agoRead it again -- they were saying we have memory of neither. Note it says "these states".
- DFHippie 3y agoMy point is just that saying you were unconscious in a particular state because you have no memory of being conscious is a test of memory, not a test of consciousness. You don't remember that you were unconscious; you have no memory of being conscious.