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This article presents a pretty convincing argument for the idea that DSK was set up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-really-happened-

This article presents a pretty convincing argument for the idea that DSK was set up: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-really-happened-dominique-strauss-kahn http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/dec/22/what-re... >the two men high-five each other, clap their hands, and do what looks like an extraordinary dance of celebration that lasts for three minutes.* They are then shown standing by the service door leading to 45th Street—apparently waiting for the police to arrive—where they are joined at 2:04 PM by Florian Schutz, the hotel manager. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris ... responsible that weekend for handling emergencies at Accor Group hotels, including the Sofitel in New York ... sent a bizarre e-mail to his friend Colonel Thierry Bourret, the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK

mc32 15y ago
The whole article reads very conspiratorially. A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. It's a whole lot of supposition and reading into after the fact. >>the two men high-five each other, clap their hands... People high-five for al sorts of reasons not related to what they are actually doing at the moment. "Hey, by the way, that date I taked to you about --yeah, it went off really well last night". That kind of unrelated stuff. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris… sent a bizarre e-mail to… the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK Again. Anyone could claim anything. People brag about things they never did frequenlty -spec. when they find out about something they are excited about. It in and by itself is not evidence of anything conspiratorial. This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's unbelievable that they (whomever they are) could coordinate this whole thing in secrecy but then go on to do and say stupid things to bring things to light. It's like they're really smart and really dumb at the same time. It's an unlikely scenario --but not impossible. To put it succinctly, when I hear people laughing, they're probably not laughing at me.
- mcantelon 15y ago
  >A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. On the difficulty scale of skullduggery and covert action, a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. >This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years.
  - mc32 15y ago
    >a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. And yet, if it had really been planned, it appears they would have made lots of mistakes. I would think it would be much easier just to take someone out than it is to do this kind of alleged framing. Framing involves too many variables and too many lose ends. Taking someone out, I imagine, is a lot cleaner, from a plan execution Pov. >It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years. Yeah, the thing is, you are comparing two very different things. I implied that the whole series of events ending in framing, as it unfolded, was improbable --not that framing in itself was improbable. That's a strawman. DSK had enough stuff in his closet that this kind of framing is unnecessary. I know the French are ok with politicians and their peccadilloes. He seems to have had a penchant for this behavior --moreso than say, Mitterand.
    - mcantelon 15y ago
      >Taking someone out, I imagine, is a lot cleaner, from a plan execution Pov. From a plan execution pov, perhaps, but not from a political pov. Even if a smoking gun pointed to Sarkozy, many people would likely chalk it up to political roughhousing and blame DSK for getting himself in the mess by not seeing the trap. If DSK had been killed people suspected Sarkozy, people would react differently. >I implied that the whole series of events ending in framing, as it unfolded, was improbable In what sense? That he was charged? The legal reaction itself was quite extraordinary: an international figure denied bail, put under grand jury investigation, and in court two days after being arrested. Maximum humiliation delivered with the utmost efficiency. DSK did have a history, of course, that complemented this kind of setup. One could be relatively sure that a sexual favor offered would be well received.
tucson 15y ago
This has been debunked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn#Conspiracy_speculation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn#Conspi... "The New York Review of Books subsequently corrected one of its allegations, reporting that a "dance of celebration" between two Sofitel employees lasted 13 seconds, not the 3 minutes originally reported."
- mcantelon 15y ago
  A shorter dance of celebration doesn't debunk the theory as a whole.
  - tucson 15y ago
    what is left?

mc32 15y ago

The whole article reads very conspiratorially. A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. It's a whole lot of supposition and reading into after the fact. >>the two men high-five each other, clap their hands... People high-five for al sorts of reasons not related to what they are actually doing at the moment. "Hey, by the way, that date I taked to you about --yeah, it went off really well last night". That kind of unrelated stuff. >the duty officer at the Accor Group in Paris… sent a bizarre e-mail to… the head of an environment and public health agency, claiming credit for “bringing down” DSK Again. Anyone could claim anything. People brag about things they never did frequenlty -spec. when they find out about something they are excited about. It in and by itself is not evidence of anything conspiratorial. This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's unbelievable that they (whomever they are) could coordinate this whole thing in secrecy but then go on to do and say stupid things to bring things to light. It's like they're really smart and really dumb at the same time. It's an unlikely scenario --but not impossible. To put it succinctly, when I hear people laughing, they're probably not laughing at me.

mcantelon 15y ago
>A whole series of stars have to align just right to pull things off --and they do, if we take the article's hints. On the difficulty scale of skullduggery and covert action, a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. >This is really like a "The Globe" article. Full of supposition and innuendo --nothing concrete, but nothing quite provably wrong --just improbable. It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years.
- mc32 15y ago
  >a fake rape accusation is about as easy as it gets. And yet, if it had really been planned, it appears they would have made lots of mistakes. I would think it would be much easier just to take someone out than it is to do this kind of alleged framing. Framing involves too many variables and too many lose ends. Taking someone out, I imagine, is a lot cleaner, from a plan execution Pov. >It's hardly improbable. People have used sex for blackmail, intelligence gathering, and character assassination for thousands of years. Yeah, the thing is, you are comparing two very different things. I implied that the whole series of events ending in framing, as it unfolded, was improbable --not that framing in itself was improbable. That's a strawman. DSK had enough stuff in his closet that this kind of framing is unnecessary. I know the French are ok with politicians and their peccadilloes. He seems to have had a penchant for this behavior --moreso than say, Mitterand.
  - mcantelon 15y ago
    >Taking someone out, I imagine, is a lot cleaner, from a plan execution Pov. From a plan execution pov, perhaps, but not from a political pov. Even if a smoking gun pointed to Sarkozy, many people would likely chalk it up to political roughhousing and blame DSK for getting himself in the mess by not seeing the trap. If DSK had been killed people suspected Sarkozy, people would react differently. >I implied that the whole series of events ending in framing, as it unfolded, was improbable In what sense? That he was charged? The legal reaction itself was quite extraordinary: an international figure denied bail, put under grand jury investigation, and in court two days after being arrested. Maximum humiliation delivered with the utmost efficiency. DSK did have a history, of course, that complemented this kind of setup. One could be relatively sure that a sexual favor offered would be well received.

tucson 15y ago

This has been debunked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn#Conspiracy_speculation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn#Conspi... "The New York Review of Books subsequently corrected one of its allegations, reporting that a "dance of celebration" between two Sofitel employees lasted 13 seconds, not the 3 minutes originally reported."

mcantelon 15y ago
A shorter dance of celebration doesn't debunk the theory as a whole.
- tucson 15y ago
  what is left?