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Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced

31 points by miguelazo 3y ago

miguelazo 3y ago
It's a shame articles like these don't include comments from those who have been priced out of renting/buying in part because of the new breed of buyers who are looking for short term rental investment properties (some "hosts" have dozens or even hundreds of units). To have this be the only comment (below) that vaguely touches on the context is either lazy or deliberately biased, given all of the airtime given to Airbnb talking points. I suspect this reasonable regulation is quite popular with the majority of NYC residents. >“In New York City, residential apartments should be for residential use,” said Murray Cox of Inside Airbnb, a housing advocacy group that collects data about the company’s presence in cities around the world.
paxys 3y ago
Good riddance. Short term rentals have been banned in NYC for a long time, but Airbnb chose to simply ignore the law and continued to let people list their properties, arguing that the burden of enforcement fell on the city and not their platform. And when the city did make plans to start enforcing the law they had the audacity to run PR campaigns, lobby and finally sue to block it – thankfully all in vain.
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codeTired 3y ago
Short-term rentals are cancer to communities and should require proper zoning. I’m not completely against it but I don’t want a short term rental next door. Cities/villages should designate areas for short term rentals and tax accordingly.
searealist 3y ago
Prediction: This has no affect on rents, unlike what is commonly claimed.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  > Prediction: This has no affect on rents. Why?
- alpineidyll3 3y ago
  So much this. Animus towards Airbnb is simply envy. It is not possible to profitably run one while trashing a neighborhood. People will spend twenty minutes reacting emotionally to this, never pay much attention to empirical changes in response, and never realize it was just fomo on their part.
  - subpixel 3y ago
    Americans have this disease where they think the loopholes that serve their economic betters will benefit them one day - the delusion is so strong they will support policy that works against their own interests.
    - alpineidyll3 3y ago
      Economic betters? Isn't the most logical assumption that I run one? Enjoy your cope, peasant.
      - jjulius 3y ago
        >Isn't the most logical assumption that I run one? It was incredibly obvious from your first post that the person lambasting others for "reacting emotionally" was likely a host who might feel just a bit threatened by this news and buries their head in the sand when one of their sources of income pisses off others. "I'd rather keep getting mine, consequences to others be damned, fuck you very much." >Enjoy your cope, peasant. See? Just like that.
  - 3y ago
say_it_as_it_is 3y ago
You can still rent out your spare bedroom of the unit that you're living in, but you can't rent out the entire unit while you live somewhere else. This remains in the spirit of the original bed and breakfast sharing economy idea.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  However, you are limited to just two guests. I feel you should be able to rent a spare room to a family traveling with children. That seems to not be allowed.
  - iamthepieman 3y ago
    I believe it's two adults. When I book at campgrounds or hotels they always have 4 guests maximum. But if I call and ask about my extra children their always totally fine with it.
    - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
      The article says: > More than two guests at a time are not allowed, either, meaning families are effectively barred. Are they mistaken?
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Other stories closer to the source on this from the past day: NYTimes: New York City’s Crackdown on Airbnb Is Starting. Here’s What to Expect https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404522 Wired: The End of Airbnb in New York https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37400973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37400973

31 points by miguelazo 3y ago

It's a shame articles like these don't include comments from those who have been priced out of renting/buying in part because of the new breed of buyers who are looking for short term rental investment properties (some "hosts" have dozens or even hundreds of units). To have this be the only comment (below) that vaguely touches on the context is either lazy or deliberately biased, given all of the airtime given to Airbnb talking points. I suspect this reasonable regulation is quite popular with the majority of NYC residents. >“In New York City, residential apartments should be for residential use,” said Murray Cox of Inside Airbnb, a housing advocacy group that collects data about the company’s presence in cities around the world.

paxys 3y ago

Good riddance. Short term rentals have been banned in NYC for a long time, but Airbnb chose to simply ignore the law and continued to let people list their properties, arguing that the burden of enforcement fell on the city and not their platform. And when the city did make plans to start enforcing the law they had the audacity to run PR campaigns, lobby and finally sue to block it – thankfully all in vain.

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codeTired 3y ago

Short-term rentals are cancer to communities and should require proper zoning. I’m not completely against it but I don’t want a short term rental next door. Cities/villages should designate areas for short term rentals and tax accordingly.

searealist 3y ago

Prediction: This has no affect on rents, unlike what is commonly claimed.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
> Prediction: This has no affect on rents. Why?
alpineidyll3 3y ago
So much this. Animus towards Airbnb is simply envy. It is not possible to profitably run one while trashing a neighborhood. People will spend twenty minutes reacting emotionally to this, never pay much attention to empirical changes in response, and never realize it was just fomo on their part.
- subpixel 3y ago
  Americans have this disease where they think the loopholes that serve their economic betters will benefit them one day - the delusion is so strong they will support policy that works against their own interests.
  - alpineidyll3 3y ago
    Economic betters? Isn't the most logical assumption that I run one? Enjoy your cope, peasant.
    - jjulius 3y ago
      >Isn't the most logical assumption that I run one? It was incredibly obvious from your first post that the person lambasting others for "reacting emotionally" was likely a host who might feel just a bit threatened by this news and buries their head in the sand when one of their sources of income pisses off others. "I'd rather keep getting mine, consequences to others be damned, fuck you very much." >Enjoy your cope, peasant. See? Just like that.
- 3y ago

say_it_as_it_is 3y ago

You can still rent out your spare bedroom of the unit that you're living in, but you can't rent out the entire unit while you live somewhere else. This remains in the spirit of the original bed and breakfast sharing economy idea.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
However, you are limited to just two guests. I feel you should be able to rent a spare room to a family traveling with children. That seems to not be allowed.
- iamthepieman 3y ago
  I believe it's two adults. When I book at campgrounds or hotels they always have 4 guests maximum. But if I call and ask about my extra children their always totally fine with it.
  - Wowfunhappy 3y ago
    The article says: > More than two guests at a time are not allowed, either, meaning families are effectively barred. Are they mistaken?

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

Other stories closer to the source on this from the past day: NYTimes: New York City’s Crackdown on Airbnb Is Starting. Here’s What to Expect https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37404522 Wired: The End of Airbnb in New York https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37400973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37400973