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There is a very clear flow chart * Walk Else * Take Bicycle Else * Take Electric Bike or Fixed Track Public Transport Else * Use Electric Automobile or Bus

There is a very clear flow chart * Walk Else * Take Bicycle Else * Take Electric Bike or Fixed Track Public Transport Else * Use Electric Automobile or Bus Else * Use Fossil Fuel Automobile or Airplane Subsidies, incentives etc must align with this flowchart. EV is seen as a savior for economies and urban structures that are not viable to start with

candiddevmike 3y ago
I'd imagine there should be a few more bullet points somehow between automobile and airplane: - Carpool - Bus - Train
- LightBug1 3y ago
  - Batmobile
- CameronNemo 3y ago
  Is train not fixed track public transport? And a carpool is still an automobile, just not a personal one.
- local_person 3y ago
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- nologic01 3y ago
  Bus and Train are covered but Carpool is indeed an important arrangement (though not a new transport tech, more a behavioral adaptation). But I think whenever carpooling is effective it probably means even more effective public transport is feasible. E.g. minibuses.
skeeter2020 3y ago
As someone who loves to bike and hates to walk why would you prioritize one over the other? You're entire prescriptive approach is a big problem in making any improvement. How about "try to do anything other than drive by yourself in your car?"
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  It's the principle for building environment. At some point everyone is Pedestrian, so env should be built to make walking as safe and nice as possible, including getting most of the things you may need with a short walk and safety. Next is bike for things that are a little more far away or for last mile trips. Next is public transport for long distance, next is cars for ppl that really need them or a willing to pay more. It's a priority piramide for creating good human centtic city design
- nologic01 3y ago
  The prescription is more about an ultimate target that is aligned with making mobility as efficient and low footprint as possible. For each mode we need to think: does it work if 10 bln people do this for centuries into the future? Even a mechanical bike has a non-trivial impact (its manufacture needs recyclable raw materials and energy, it needs paved paths etc). What you are suggesting is the least possible action in the current circumstances - which is fine very short term but not a full plan how to incentivise people. On the juicy question of bike vs walk I would say it depends on the weather :-)
pxtail 3y ago
* Watch politicians/millionaires flying their personal jets to event avenues wasting within hour the equivalent of CO2 you personally can save by choosing to make life difficult and dangerous for yourself and your family for years! Fuck that.
rajnathani 3y ago
> Bicycle Or [standing] electric scooters.
lm28469 3y ago
> EV is seen as a savior for economies and urban structures that are not viable to start with EVs are pushed because it's where the money and lobbies are. It's the "business as usual but clean™" option. Companies keep making bank, people keep their lifestyles, &c. People (want to) believe in it because it's the 0 effort solution

candiddevmike 3y ago

I'd imagine there should be a few more bullet points somehow between automobile and airplane: - Carpool - Bus - Train

LightBug1 3y ago
- Batmobile
CameronNemo 3y ago
Is train not fixed track public transport? And a carpool is still an automobile, just not a personal one.
local_person 3y ago
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nologic01 3y ago
Bus and Train are covered but Carpool is indeed an important arrangement (though not a new transport tech, more a behavioral adaptation). But I think whenever carpooling is effective it probably means even more effective public transport is feasible. E.g. minibuses.

skeeter2020 3y ago

As someone who loves to bike and hates to walk why would you prioritize one over the other? You're entire prescriptive approach is a big problem in making any improvement. How about "try to do anything other than drive by yourself in your car?"

Moldoteck 3y ago
It's the principle for building environment. At some point everyone is Pedestrian, so env should be built to make walking as safe and nice as possible, including getting most of the things you may need with a short walk and safety. Next is bike for things that are a little more far away or for last mile trips. Next is public transport for long distance, next is cars for ppl that really need them or a willing to pay more. It's a priority piramide for creating good human centtic city design
nologic01 3y ago
The prescription is more about an ultimate target that is aligned with making mobility as efficient and low footprint as possible. For each mode we need to think: does it work if 10 bln people do this for centuries into the future? Even a mechanical bike has a non-trivial impact (its manufacture needs recyclable raw materials and energy, it needs paved paths etc). What you are suggesting is the least possible action in the current circumstances - which is fine very short term but not a full plan how to incentivise people. On the juicy question of bike vs walk I would say it depends on the weather :-)

pxtail 3y ago

* Watch politicians/millionaires flying their personal jets to event avenues wasting within hour the equivalent of CO2 you personally can save by choosing to make life difficult and dangerous for yourself and your family for years! Fuck that.

rajnathani 3y ago

> Bicycle Or [standing] electric scooters.

lm28469 3y ago

> EV is seen as a savior for economies and urban structures that are not viable to start with EVs are pushed because it's where the money and lobbies are. It's the "business as usual but clean™" option. Companies keep making bank, people keep their lifestyles, &c. People (want to) believe in it because it's the 0 effort solution