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I didn't misinterpret shit. The amount of work something takes too create has very little to do with its value. Labor theory of value would be a joke if it wasn

I didn't misinterpret shit. The amount of work something takes too create has very little to do with its value. Labor theory of value would be a joke if it wasn't so popular for some reason. Instead it's actively disinforming people > it's labor all the way down This is completely orthogonal to value. Sure things wouldn't exist without people to make them. That doesn't mean that the labor it takes to make something constitutes its value.

greenie_beans 3y ago
lol you are proving my point that you don't understand the labor theory of value. even adam smith was with it.
andrekandre 3y ago
what is you definition of value? i feel you and the other poster are mybe talking past each other..
- oneshtein 3y ago
  (Not an original poster.) $1 banknote is equal to $10000000 banknote in labor.
kieselguhr_kid 3y ago
Can you help us out by articulating what you think value is, and how it's derived?
deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago
if you actually look at the inputs and outputs of entire industrial sectors, rather than individual firms, you generally find a very high correlation between the price of labor as input and the price out the output of that sector. like >96% for the uk as found by cockshott and cottrell in their 1995 paper
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  Now do the oil industry.
  - deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago
    the oil industry is in that same paper. it's the outlier in that its output is a bit higher than predicted, because of economic rent
    - nvm0n2 3y ago
      My point is that the price of oil has nothing to do with the price of labor and frequently fluctuates in massive ways unconnected to the labor market.
      - greenie_beans 3y ago
        price has nothing to do with the labor theory of value
        nvm0n2 3y ago
        The post I was replying to talks about price.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  Don’t really feel like writing a treatise right now so I’ll just use the same link I put in the other comment https://reddit.com/r/badeconomics/s/7KeMalYvVC https://reddit.com/r/badeconomics/s/7KeMalYvVC

greenie_beans 3y ago

lol you are proving my point that you don't understand the labor theory of value. even adam smith was with it.

andrekandre 3y ago

what is you definition of value? i feel you and the other poster are mybe talking past each other..

oneshtein 3y ago
(Not an original poster.) $1 banknote is equal to $10000000 banknote in labor.

kieselguhr_kid 3y ago

Can you help us out by articulating what you think value is, and how it's derived?

deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago

if you actually look at the inputs and outputs of entire industrial sectors, rather than individual firms, you generally find a very high correlation between the price of labor as input and the price out the output of that sector. like >96% for the uk as found by cockshott and cottrell in their 1995 paper

nvm0n2 3y ago
Now do the oil industry.
- deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago
  the oil industry is in that same paper. it's the outlier in that its output is a bit higher than predicted, because of economic rent
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    My point is that the price of oil has nothing to do with the price of labor and frequently fluctuates in massive ways unconnected to the labor market.
    - greenie_beans 3y ago
      price has nothing to do with the labor theory of value
      - nvm0n2 3y ago
        The post I was replying to talks about price.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
Don’t really feel like writing a treatise right now so I’ll just use the same link I put in the other comment https://reddit.com/r/badeconomics/s/7KeMalYvVC https://reddit.com/r/badeconomics/s/7KeMalYvVC