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As a leftie my opinion is that tolerance is a means to an end and not itself an end. The Allies did not tolerate Julius Streicher's virulent and anti-Semitic De

As a leftie my opinion is that tolerance is a means to an end and not itself an end. The Allies did not tolerate Julius Streicher's virulent and anti-Semitic Der Stürmer and had him hanged in Nüremberg. Intolerance against assholes is often virtuous.

cyanydeez 3y ago
It seems the "intolerant left" is a argument aimed at children to try and persuade underinformed children that it's ok to be intolerant.
gustavus 3y ago
I've got to ask then, what is the end tolerance is towards?
- tremon 3y ago
  Peaceful coexistence within a large pluriform group.
- draw_down 3y ago
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ThrowawayR2 3y ago
The irony of using intolerance of anti-Semitism as a defense of the virtues of intolerance while so many here are trashing the sincerely held religious beliefs of the conservatives[1] should not be lost on us. If "intolerance against assholes is often virtuous", perhaps it the intolerant left as well as the intolerant right that the rest of us should not be tolerating, arf arf. [1] beliefs I do not subscribe to, by the way
- bjourne 3y ago
  A man takes a dump in the communal pool and is asked to leave. The man comes back the next day and shits again. Story repeats until the man is banned. The man cries about intolerance and censorship. The man gets backed up by internet's peanut gallery. Because oh gosh those darn liberal pool operators are hypocrites that don't even tolerate natural bodily functions!
  - catapart 3y ago
    It's wild how many people can't seem to wrap their heads around the very simple framing of tolerance as a contract. We have chosen to engage in tolerance, which means that we will BOTH be tolerant of each other. Once you engage in intolerance, the contract is broken. We are now not BOTH tolerant, so the contract of 'tolerance' has become void. It's not that I can't tolerate intolerance. It's that the logical structure of 'tolerance' is terminated when any of the active parties stop participating. I'm not 'intolerant of your intolerance'; I'm no longer affording you coverage of the contract that you voided until you engage in earnest action toward repairing that relationship, at which point you will be eligible for reinstatement to the contract parties. Anyway, your pool analogy is great! It's just frustrating that people even need it. =/
refurb 3y ago
The ironic part is that the left will tolerate those who incite violence (similar to Streicher) because they agree with the cause. So in the end, all the clammering about tolerance is fake - it’s just a political weapon used to silence opponents.
- slothtrop 3y ago
  There's a kernel of truth here in that bigotry/bad behavior is ignored/tolerated when it comes from the right people or for the "right cause", and conversely, the out-group is deemed immoral because they "endorse"/tolerate bad behavior from a subset of the larger group. It's tiresome, but that makes up a large chunk of shit-posting about the other political tribe. "Republicans are bad because of January 6th! They are anti-democratic!" "Democrats are bad because they support riots!"

cyanydeez 3y ago

It seems the "intolerant left" is a argument aimed at children to try and persuade underinformed children that it's ok to be intolerant.

gustavus 3y ago

I've got to ask then, what is the end tolerance is towards?

tremon 3y ago
Peaceful coexistence within a large pluriform group.
draw_down 3y ago
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ThrowawayR2 3y ago

The irony of using intolerance of anti-Semitism as a defense of the virtues of intolerance while so many here are trashing the sincerely held religious beliefs of the conservatives[1] should not be lost on us. If "intolerance against assholes is often virtuous", perhaps it the intolerant left as well as the intolerant right that the rest of us should not be tolerating, arf arf. [1] beliefs I do not subscribe to, by the way

bjourne 3y ago
A man takes a dump in the communal pool and is asked to leave. The man comes back the next day and shits again. Story repeats until the man is banned. The man cries about intolerance and censorship. The man gets backed up by internet's peanut gallery. Because oh gosh those darn liberal pool operators are hypocrites that don't even tolerate natural bodily functions!
- catapart 3y ago
  It's wild how many people can't seem to wrap their heads around the very simple framing of tolerance as a contract. We have chosen to engage in tolerance, which means that we will BOTH be tolerant of each other. Once you engage in intolerance, the contract is broken. We are now not BOTH tolerant, so the contract of 'tolerance' has become void. It's not that I can't tolerate intolerance. It's that the logical structure of 'tolerance' is terminated when any of the active parties stop participating. I'm not 'intolerant of your intolerance'; I'm no longer affording you coverage of the contract that you voided until you engage in earnest action toward repairing that relationship, at which point you will be eligible for reinstatement to the contract parties. Anyway, your pool analogy is great! It's just frustrating that people even need it. =/

refurb 3y ago

The ironic part is that the left will tolerate those who incite violence (similar to Streicher) because they agree with the cause. So in the end, all the clammering about tolerance is fake - it’s just a political weapon used to silence opponents.

slothtrop 3y ago
There's a kernel of truth here in that bigotry/bad behavior is ignored/tolerated when it comes from the right people or for the "right cause", and conversely, the out-group is deemed immoral because they "endorse"/tolerate bad behavior from a subset of the larger group. It's tiresome, but that makes up a large chunk of shit-posting about the other political tribe. "Republicans are bad because of January 6th! They are anti-democratic!" "Democrats are bad because they support riots!"